Gen SSF4 Changes

The_human_pate · 2010-03-30T07:02:31.000Z

If the faster wall dive is the only thing Gen gets and his best thing is taken away from him then he is officially the worst character in the game.
Didn’t Seth Killian say something about Gen being better overall? can anyone link interview/video.
I also feel like Seth Killian only answers a tiny bit every time people have questions about nerf regarding Gen and Guile

Ouroborus · 2010-03-30T08:28:55.000Z

street11:

Though this isn’t about Gen, info from the blog:

Characters’ damage have been dropped overall (I thought it was only gen, ryu, sagat, dictator, cammy and a bit more. Thank God.)

Some thing about SRK trade, this won’t affect Gen since he was airborne on the first attack frame.

The blog post today talked about ryu, ken, chun, honda, blanka, and gief. The update on Thursday will talk about Guile, Dhalsim, Boxer, Claw, Sagat, Dictator.

Btw, I was thinking about possible benefits for high jump arc for mantis, and the only thing I could come up with was that it will probably dodge hakan’s oil dive completely without attacking, since I doubt the SF4 Gen will dodge hakan’s oil dive with his low jump.

this is pretty dumb. if anything, damage should be upped minus ultras.

normals, throws, etc does not do enough damage in sf4. only thing that really does damage in that game was fadc into ultra, zangief and a select few combos.

if bisons damage was upped, he wouldn’t be that bad in sf4. he can hit standing hk or lk scissor kick combos a million times yet still get peaced out by random fadc into ultra.

Dragonfave723 · 2010-03-30T09:02:18.000Z

DJ vs Gen: [media=youtube]RCF6JrVTbcU[/media]

Zaruka · 2010-03-30T10:21:02.000Z

Dragonfave723:

DJ vs Gen: [media=youtube]RCF6JrVTbcU[/media]

weird it does look like is crane moves are little faster although the video was bad quality. shame tho we was mostly poking with crane style i want to see if any so call usefully new links he has in mantis.

System_1 · 2010-03-30T10:26:37.000Z

wall dive still isn’t safe, dj throws him once after a blocked walldive
walldives seem to travel less far (or does he always use MK-walldive?)
crane HK juggles 2 times after the ko on the second round…i don’t think this was in sf4 ? perhaps crane HK is now always a 2 hit combo?

DevilJin_01 · 2010-03-30T10:53:39.000Z

Gen is strangely one of the characters I’m SUPER intrigued about the changes for. It’s like his all powerful death combo is gone now so it’s interesting to see a character that had a bunch of other shit (that he couldn’t really use) be changed up and what exactly those changes are.

Mnszyk · 2010-03-30T11:37:55.000Z

Zaruka:

weird it does look like is crane moves are little faster although the video was bad quality. shame tho we was mostly poking with crane style i want to see if any so call usefully new links he has in mantis.

Gen’s crane moves are faster, it isn’t just this video. Some of them are obvious like his low strong.

Ouroborus · 2010-03-30T13:21:44.000Z

DevilJin_01:

Gen is strangely one of the characters I’m SUPER intrigued about the changes for. It’s like his all powerful death combo is gone now so it’s interesting to see a character that had a bunch of other shit (that he couldn’t really use) be changed up and what exactly those changes are.

gen has an all powerful death combo in sf4? i really wanna know what is it.

street11 · 2010-03-30T17:00:02.000Z

spatz1:

wall dive still isn’t safe, dj throws him once after a blocked walldive
walldives seem to travel less far (or does he always use MK-walldive?)
crane HK juggles 2 times after the ko on the second round…i don’t think this was in sf4 ? perhaps crane HK is now always a 2 hit combo?

I can assure you s.HK never hits an airborne opponent twice, even when ko’ed. Looks like this is adjusted as well.
Still no news about roll.

Edit: O wait, was it? I need to test it this weekend.

System_1 · 2010-03-30T18:03:23.000Z

hopefully it will hit twice even when the opponend is not k.o.'ed

perhaps crane jp.HKx2 st HKx2 HP-Roll will work that would be good damage

Dragonfave723 · 2010-03-30T18:13:35.000Z

Guy vs Gen: [media=youtube]w5SVit6ap70[/media]

Minerva_SC · 2010-03-30T18:36:52.000Z

stopped watching after you could hear him mashing out wtf 10 seconds in. I’m pretty sure thats the same god awful gen from the video above. It’s times like this that I wish Gen was played a bit more and SOMEONE would have to get a good Vid of him eventually. Don’t think thats gonna happen…

Bronzefist · 2010-03-30T18:42:48.000Z

I do like that they buffed Crane stance. Imagine if they gave it a few links as well (i.e. cr.lp -> cr.mp/cr.mk, etc). That would be pretty sweet. Cr.mp looks to have better recovery, so I can stop bitching about it now (I hope lol).

The new Mantis jump at least seems to be pretty fast, and it’ll help with air to air against characters with high jumps (Bison, Chun, etc). I swear Chun’s neutral jump HK owns the crap outta my Gen. That new jump should help.

HNIC_Mike · 2010-03-30T20:27:02.000Z

damn. didnt realize how hard it was to come by solid gen play. im not amazing, but full screen supers, wall dives all day, and jump jump jump is pretty bad

chunbelievable · 2010-03-30T20:34:50.000Z

Woo hoo there are Gens worse than mine!

HNIC_Mike · 2010-03-30T20:41:39.000Z

fucking much worse

asiantom · 2010-03-30T20:48:18.000Z

Damnn, i live right 15 min North of Boston and I opted not to go to PAX.

Warlike · 2010-03-30T20:59:24.000Z

Are we actually going to get any solid info on Gen before the game drops or what? Seeing as hes pretty unpopular…

asiantom · 2010-03-30T21:06:18.000Z

Warlike:

Are we actually going to get any solid info on Gen before the game drops or what? Seeing as hes pretty unpopular…

I dont’ think so. The game is 3-4 weeks away. No worries!

System_1 · 2010-03-30T22:12:02.000Z

I dislike the way capcom gives preferential treatment towards ibuki and dudley. I mean look at dudley, the guy has every mashable move and normals in his game not to mention double uppercuts to super and ultra without use of meter! And giving him a fast counter, fast speed/jab/overhead overall and not to mention a duck dash for fireball, AND high health. And did u guys see ibuki’s normal chains combo to neckbreaker? Just been watching the frameadvantage vids. Believe me, gen is gonna have a hard time with them. Not to mention they buff ken and honda; we gens r gonna meet more causal kens who r less skilled but mash out no-brainer forward kicks and now with better light and hp SRKs!

Why am i bitching? 'cause gen should be a hard-to-use but high reward character. That’s basic game design; reward difficulties. While it’s hopeful to remain optimistic, everything i’ve seen of new gen’s vids so far has led me to believe otherwise.

Dudley and Ibukis r gonna be the new ken/ryus aka easy to use no brainers for even new or less-skilled players. I beat a lot of decent skilled ryus/kens/hondas around my locals but have to be REALLY sharp and work real hard, at least 3 times more than those guys. Now i can see mye losing dus to charcter advantages and not skills.

Damn it capcom, reward one of the most unique and innovative characters in the SF universe. We’ll probably never see another dual-styler kung fu master in the sf world again.

OK whining done. Cheers.