BEWD
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I find it hilarious that the MK Ninjas(the most notorious pallete swaps) weren’t mentioned =P
Nice article though, and made me think for a bit.
Ry_Guy
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Plenty of competition worthy games have been released lately, it’s just a matter of making sure you pick up on all the games worth playing before they die off. The fighting game scene doesn’t need that many titles in the first place, since people can’t put too many games under their belts if they plan to play seriously.
And this guy’s just whining. You don’t hear people complaining, “Where’s the new Chess? This game is sooo old!” A good game is a good game. Age makes no difference. I wouldn’t care if I were playing 3S, ST, or some brand new SF game, if it’s good and I like it, I shall play.
Fact of the matter is, the gems that shine will keep shining for a long time so long as graphics don’t get in the way, and that’s a good thing. So long as a few more gems appear from time to time, the scene will most likely be fine for at least a while longer.
With the popularity of 3S in Japan (isn’t SBO sponsored by Capcom?), you would think Capcom would consider giving all those players something new to play.
I’m not going to be an elitist and say that things are perfect the way they are. As good as 3S is, at the end of the day it’s still low-res, it still has songs I’ve heard a trillion times, and it still has some balance issues. It most definitely can be improved and it’s retarded when people say “it doesn’t matter if it’s old!”. That chess analogy was just retarded. Chess doesn’t have 3S Chun in it.
How hard is it to convert current sprites to hi-res like what SNKP did with '94 Rebout? Just do that, add a couple new characters, rebalance shit and make new backgrounds and music. That’s basically a brand new game with the best sprites possible and it wouldn’t require many new ones.
God I’m insane.
What exactly is a balanced game? Is it fun ? Does one exist?
Can one balance 3S? If we tone down Chun is she playable? Take away her ability to cancel or link cr.forward and is she playable? What next? Take away Urien’s unblockables? Is that making it better or balanced? The fact is, no matter how much game designers try to balance a game something new comes out. Something else is discovered. Or, then again, it just gets boring. Was MvSF a new game or CAPCOM’s attempt to balance and reinvent XvSF? Which one is still being played today? The point is a good game is a good game and even a good game has problems (Chess players are either playing to win (1st move) or playing to stalemate (2nd move)) and if people want to play fighting games they will continue to play them. I applaud SNKP for continuing their tradition of releasing 2D fighting games, but I wish they would slow down, beta-test, and release a good game with newer animations/sprites and (gasp) balanced gameplay…ok ok, give me 8 or 9 really broken characters so it will be tournamnet worthy!
Ted
Lots of Spong’s notes can’t be taken seriously :s
And the article… interesting reading, but that’s all.
4r5
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arstal
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Given I remember the guy having intelligent fighting game discussions 10 yrs ago almost- he is a long time player…
Him and Greg Kasavin are the 2d fighter people on Gamespot.
SRK overlooks this and proceeds to post in dumb-ass threads like “Most impressive moments in marvel history”.
Typical.
And seriously, some of the replies here against the article are simply brain-dead.
BEWD
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He’s actually saying good stuff too
It is sad that companies aren’t taking too many risks anymore, Lets hope that if this project does will(as it undoubtedly will) Capcom will get off it’s ass and actually give us a new game(and no, I do not mean something like CFE)
GG’s getting there too, aren’t we on like the 3rd revision of XX?
The reason why some people here are mad at the article is because it’s true. Trust me, I’ll still play 3s and the such until I get bored of them, but it’s true. Something has to really happen for 2D fighters to come back in full force. And don’t even come up with the SF4 myth. I mean something BIG! It’s a good thing and a bad thing that companies are playing it safe, though (GG is living off the same system, but it’s solid. SNK, even with new hardware, is using same sprites, but they’re changing gameplay stuff, so it’s somewhat okay, etc.).
I think that may have been directed towards MoTW which is pictured further down the page.
I thought this article was okay, except the dude thinks comp has been bumped up due to the lack of arcades. ??
I think he’s refering to the “fight for the future” part of the 3s title
I don’t even think SF4 would save 2d fighting.
Third strike… aka three stikes and you’re out.
I posted my thoughts on the thread, for whoever posted that they know of him, is he someone we know? I went searching and he’s credited for something in chen’s XSF faq, and I saw a few random posts but nothing that seems important, unless you like reading:
Could be a different guy, but damn sure sounds like an old hater to me. Also found a few other gems where he generally critizices capcom for ‘stealing’ SNK ideas and such. Considering he links to random snk games in his article and generally makes the same point now as he did 10 yrs ago (rehash!), i’m pretty sure we’ve gotten to the bottom of this.
If this guy is writing articles for major gaming websites (senior editor?!?!?!?!?), anything is possible in life.
Well, the article didn’t personally tell me anything that I didn’t already know. I find it funny when some people here try to determine which fighters will break through the fighting game scene (DOA4 for instance) with what they label as “crucial evidence.” Yet, that DOA4 thread which was started here not too long ago, has remained untouched for nearly two weeks (didn’t hold many people’s interests for long, did it?). I just wish for once that some people would let me make my own darn decisions at which fighters I think are good or not. Whether it be 2d or 3d.
how about leaving the good characters the way they are and make the weak characters better?
most of the weaker characters in 3s were dominant in 2i and vice versai.
capcom completely neutered all the good characters from 2i, ESPECIALLY sean, and at the same time beefed up kens damage and dps and make genei jin like 50x better in 3s.
Dude, that’s EXACTLY what Namco is doing with Tekken nowadays. Yes, Jin needed to be nerfed as he was too good in T4, but they straight out made him a low-mid tier in T5. SBN are now mid (upper mid at most), and the reactions are mixed. Raven is getting hella nerfed, etc., and now we have Jack 5 as a top tier, as he’s FASTER now and just plain better. Notice how the Mishimas ALWAYS stay the same, though. They are ALWAYS top or upper mid at worst.
Isn’t that how the shoto’s are too for the majority of the games they are in? I will agree with you, they completely owned Jin from T4 into T5, it seemed like as though they had completely left the bag of “screw you” to Jin, but completely forgot about characters nerfing characters like Steve/Nina whom where considered Top Tiers in T4 under T4Jin…
wtf. Imo, SNB needed to be nerfed because although Mishima’s have been consistantly in the tops, at least they required knowledge and effort to be made Top quality (aside from Tekken4Jin of course) unlike SNB whom dont even take nearly as much effort.
As for the article, I find it to not be surprising, but imo, a good game never gets old, even after 14yrs, as long as competetion is there, then the game will keep on going, isn’t that how it’s always been for fighting games.
I’ve been told capcom stole ryu/ken partnership from AoF Ryo/Robert.
But don’t quote me on that. I play the game for the game not the who’s who and did what shit. I love SF2 and SNK equally.
