Just because something is labeled at doujin doesnt mean its lesser quality cause its fanmade; while most of them i wouldnt spend time playing i do believe that games like blitzkampf and melty (esp. melty) have transcended the “doujin fighter” titles and have been refined and polished up for the most part.
also, Arcana is not a doujin fighter its by yuki (now examu) same guys that made tenka and samsho5/special etc
This is what I’m talking about, not critisizing you, but youre not being specific at all. I can say any game is shitty and then come up with a quick one liner as to why i think its garbage, but its not really saying much.
but to be fair im through with arcana 1, its too slow, no long range chars, combos are too long, etc. part 2 fixes a lot of these problems. I’m guessing the reason why you dont like the game is cause it’s slow (compared to Marvel, anyway) and has loli.
With all the new games coming out, i don’t see why the majority of players won’t be “moving on” and picking up at LEAST 2 of them seriously. This is like a windfall of fighting games.
for some reason i found this really really funny. I think because i always hear people say such and such game is gay, but never saw it typed out lol.
Agreed. There’s also the fact that if enough support goes towards those doujin developers they’ll eventually become official ones. This is how genres like RTS, FPS’s, and what not thrive. Sure some will leave to create the “more money making genres” but there will always be developers willing to make a quality competitive game and if they get enough attention they will do great things. Just look at Gas Powered Games and Turtle Rock.
Basically the older games have a better following, because it’s the only way guys like me can get any competition - 2DF and GGPO. The games run smooth and I’ve not meet any childish dirtbags yet.
Talking about a scene that needs to move on is one thing, I wish we even had a “scene” for something else than freaking Tekken. Besides Shim Sang Joon and me, I don’t think there’s anyone that even cares about 2D fighters, especially about the competition - in Denmark.
Currently I’m only an ST player (as far as tournaments go, I play lots of SNK games and SFA3 casually), but I definitely would LOVE to play newer games than ST, it’s just that…the new games have IMO sucked 99% of the time.
Everytime a new capcom game comes out, I hope it will be good and worthy of a scene… Remember Capcom Fighting Allstars, that game looked SO SHITTY before it got canned. Then Capcom Fighting Evolution sucked ass. Etc.
I’m REALLY excited about SF4 and Tatsunoku now. SF4, EVERYONE in the local ST scene is hella excited to play. I’m personally more excited now for Tatsuonoku v. Capcom to come out because I think it’ll bridge the gap between ST players and Marvel players.
Hopefully the new games are quality when they come out, it looks like capcom is doing a really good job, and I hope that we have at least two new SOLID titles for Evo for many years to come…it’s an exciting time for sure to be a fighting game enthusiast
I personally plan to give a good chance to lots of the new stuff coming out here in Japan (mainly Blazblue, SF4 and TvC) and think that I can actually be pretty decent at them since I will be picking them up from the start and playing good comp right away, so I have interest in actually trying to take them seriously. But that wont stop me from still playing GG as my main game by any means. We should all support the new stuff if it actually ends up being good (which I think at least those 3 titles have a very good chance of being just as good as lots of games that are currently being played competatively), but theres no reason to stop playing old games completely either.
and yea… sorry but Guilty Gear is by no means a doujin fighter
The problem is most dojin games have mechanics that borrow very heavily from GG, so GG gets lumped in.
As for new games, I’ll support new games that are worth supporting. I haven’t been too high on most of the crap released this decade- but this year has been win so far (except for Basura), and I hope it continues.
Well with the sheer volume of new stuff coming out, I’m sure that players will find something to move on to. SFIV should get plenty of attention, at the very least. I really hope they find a way to bring TvC over here, cause I’m sure that would get heavily played as well (it might still get heavily played, but being import-only will hamper it). And the respective camps will probably upgrade to their game of choice when they become available (BlazBlue, SCIV, Tekken 6 home, VF5 Evo, etc.).
I personally have neither the time nor the interest to play every single fighter out there, even the good ones, so when I do play fighters these days, it’s mostly old familiar stuff, I would play new stuff if I’m interested and it’s easily available, which is how I managed to get into GGXX and then GGAC, since I only have a non-modded US PS2); these days I can’t even be bothered to import. I’ll be playing Samurai Shodown Tenka for the first time when it comes out later this year in SS Anthology. SS is my second all-time favourite series (next to SF), but I couldn’t be bothered to go import SST when it was new. For me, things have ben fairly dead on the “new” front since CvS2 was released in mid-2001. SFIV and TvC are the first proper new fighters released by Capcom since CvS2 (obviously, CFJ doesn’t count; neither do that Keniichi game or the relatively obscure Sengoku Basara), so I have a definite reason to check them out; stuff like Arcana Heart 2 and Melty Blood, hell no.
I think Sabin hit the nail on the head. I would go a step further and say that the Japan-only release is the biggest thing working against new fighters. Look at KOF XI and NGBC. Suddenly people started playing them when they came stateside…but by that time they were old hats anyway, and there’s enough Japanese vids of the top characters dominating the cast to turn away potential players. It didn’t help that the US ports weren’t as good for tourneys.
I think that if these game companies move their new fighters to PS3, that could fix that issue. The machine being region free means that any fighter fan could just import and play it without dealing with any shit.
The other thing working against new fighters is the reason I don’t play them as much. Games in the vein of Guilty Gear (which seems to be the bulk of the newer ones) have so many goddamn subsystems that if I’m playing them at a friend’s on their japanese machine, I simply can’t learn it all while not getting beat down. I can’t learn combos or any of that stuff. Quite simply the games just feel more complex than they may actually be, and I don’t have the time to actually get the hang of em.
Not to say we don’t give em a shot…we’ve ran some Basara, GG, Arcana Heart, KOF UM, NGBC, Tenka, KOF XI… but the SNK ones are the only ones we stuck with for any length of time.
What amazes me is the different fighters that each country plays. In Japan, Virtua Fighter 5 is THE FIGHTING GAME. Its not even close. Over here its some form of street fighter (3s, MvC2)