4505

This video says matsushita is obviously harder, yet u say it has lighter touch than gersung. Am i missing something?

4506

Owning both Matsushita and Gersung long lever switches, I can tell you firsthand that the Gersungs are harder to depress. Gersungs are pretty stiff.

4507

I watched the video again, and from the first test, it showed the matsushita as softer. The matsushita was at top right with red piece under the lever and white labeling, and gersung bottom left of the test with no labeling. My own tests matched what was said in the video, and @PresidentCamacho’s findings.

4508

Oh yeah, thats a misread from me. Thanks for your help.

4509

aw man i was just about to make another purchase and you’re out of ps360’s :’(

4510

@jmanDMC thanks for all the responses. So if you are able to order the crown 307 with the silicon and Korean switches(I’m just assuming that’s the tekken stick), would it come in before that coupon expires?

4511

I tried hard not to run out, asking Akishop to ship a restock weeks ago. They finally shipped a small batch, with another batch coming in a few weeks. We’re gonna be out for the first time since last July. :pensive:

If it didn’t come before the coupon expires, I’d extend the coupon expiration. But yes, I’d try to order it next restock. Listing should be easy enough as the main difference is switch and grommet.

4512

To clarify, FA may only have one supplier they use, others are available to other vendors in the US. And the supplier that FA had acquire Crown products was not the first to make these available to US stores. Etokki has always been willing to supply US stores, and Laugh had been more than accommodating. He has also been a joy to spend time with at Evo for the last two years. We chose to use laugh primarily as a supplier because of his direct relationship with the Korean companies and his work in the FGC.

While we do use the same supplier as FA, from time to time. The majority of our Korean orders are from other sources.

Based on the message relayed to us by another Korean supplier, Crown is quoted as saying the official Tekken 7 stick in Korea is the CWL-307-ST. They did not clarify the particular microswitch.

4513

Okay, Bryan. Thanks for the insight. My best to Laugh if this is the case.

On that, some good things coming all around in a few weeks, for fighting game players and arcade heads alike.

4514

Jaleel we told you Laugh was selling a when the first conflict about Crown erupted so I am not sure why you would have made a statement taking credit for bringing these to the US. Not to mention Lizard Lick carried them also, and did not stock through your supplier.

I am sorry, but we have had these conversations in private. You have asked to cease all conversations in private, and then you make statements that are patently false to try and make your involvement look different than it is. While you tend to claim ignorance of facts after, many times you and I have had a discussion of the facts privately. While providing and spreading false information for the sake of advertising your business maybe allowed in other venues, I think your approach is a disservice, especially in Tech Talk. All I am asking and have asked before is that you are honest in your statements and you make sure you know your facts before making broad statements about our practice or others.

My guess is in a few weeks you will announce something like the ST’s we said we were bringing in and Mag Sticks from IL. Mag Sticks would make sense since it’s been 2 months since we added them to our store. Make sure you order them with .187 fitting on the microswitches, the default is a .250 with IL, but they can send with .187. And keep in mind that the mounting plate is different from stock IL or Japanese sticks, as these are commonly used in Mame cabinets.

4515

You’re honestly nitpicking the line “or no one would have as accessible a supplier” to that degree? Customers in the present don’t give a shit who had something first anyways, only who has it when they’re looking to buy. Feeling like you should have exclusive rights to something because you imported it first is pretty ridiculous in any case.

4516

Something else customers do give a shit about: prompt and courteous shipping, communication, and service with orders. Priorities.

4517

unrelated, but just had to point this out:

4518

Murica.

4519

I mean, I purchase from FA so far because they have some products that no one else provides such as the GamerFinger PCB and the aluminum ball tops and the service in of itself as been great.

The tricky part isn’t necessarily “who did it first” or “exclusivity” but the issue is with Jaleel’s pattern to say incorrect or misleading pieces of information (and intent to do so is dubious and if nebulous). The integrity of truth is jeopardized. The integrity about product claims is jeopardized. How much one actually cares for truth, when it comes to arcade parts retail and distribution, is a proposition of value an individual makes; it’s up to the individual if that matters to one’s self when making purchasing decisions.

For me, although what has arisen through these posts and the “FA Criticism” thread from months ago, I’m a bit ambivalent. I don’t like the “pretend to not know” card, KOWAL debacle, and these most current fiascoes; but, still no one else is providing GamerFinger PCBs or aluminum ball tops. So do I care about marketplace integrity? Yes, but it’s not going to stop me from buying that PCB from FA.

When PA doesn’t provide HBFS-24 white buttons with white caps, I’m going to order it from FA since the shipping would be less than if I were to buy it from Akishop. If I had stuff I want to buy from Akishop and was more efficient and economic to import from them, I’d order from Akishop instead. Since no one else seems to be selling OBS-30As in Black, I’m going to buy them from Akishop just like how I got my Alu ball tops from FA (I really wish there were OBS-30Bs in Black but doesn’t seem like that’s ever gonna happen). Likewise for PA, no one else seems to do Anodized Alu Black Caps for OBSC buttons and I’d like to put that on top of OBSC plungers on OBS-30A buttons for my Kuro VLX along with the PA Anodized Alu Black Bat Top, Shaft Cover, and Dust Washer. Only they provide that and I’ll will buy that from them regardless of any compromised integrity or distribution drama that’s happening. There are no other places to get those items.

Am I a dirty, consumerist pig? Ever since I started browsing Tech Talk instead of Fighting Game Discussion, I certainly have been indulging in these feelings that I have never felt before! But, if multiple vendors have the same item, I’d like to gauge between costs saved and my “perceived image of the company” and weigh in where I should order from. So I may have a tendency to lean towards PA or Arcade Shock if all the vendors have the same item, but if the price difference is great enough I may order from FA or such regardless. Doesn’t help that PA gives chocolates which muddles the decision process. Also peer pressure affects me because I have a good friend that disapproves of me for buying from Focus Attack because of all these debacles, but that doesn’t stop me as well from getting that GamerFinger PCB.

On the other hand, although I do care about these aspects of integrity and such coming to light, I feel like there are better ways of creating discourse about it. With how Moonchilde handled it in that previous thread that was inevitably closed, too much personal emotion and mudslinging made such discourse difficult and further muddled the discussion.

Re-reading my post before I post it, it does seem like “real exclusivity” (as recognized by established laws and written contracts) does greatly affect my purchasing decisions because if I buy one thing that I can’t get anywhere else, I might as well min-max shipping and get something else I need from the same place. Outside of “real exclusivity”, cost and company image and integrity are the next deciding factors. What I don’t like is people creating false images of integrity or feigning ignorance when a mistake is made instead of owning up to it; I’d want real trust instead of perceived trust.

First impressions are also a factor. Although my recent purchases from Paradise have been great, that very first one where my order took about 2 months after payment to complete (the first package was an incomplete order due to broken laser light bulbs, training new packer, and slew of other factors) and how rough communication was, that first order left an impression on me that affects my future purchasing decisions. On Focus Attack’s end, their first impression to me was really quick and efficient and friendly, regardless of the extraneous image factors by the aforementioned debacles.

Why does Tech Talk inspire me to analyze, assess, and reevaluate my ethics as a consumer of all places? I’m just a sub-human, consumerist rat that really wants a convenient optical PCB with a built in voltage converter and 9 lbf. springs.

Also, whoever makes colored (especially black) completely anodized aluminum buttons first, I’ll buy it! How wretched I am…

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@Laban
Ask yourself this: who has made slime chucking (both in pm and in public) and community peer pressure the cornerstones of their business, and who has made customer service the cornerstone of theirs? Which shows more integrity to you? In this specific attempt at stirring up a shitstorm, who exactly was making the dubious or misleading claim?

How many of these so called “egregious offenses” on fa’s part (such as having “copycat actuators” in a product description, selling purple buttons that iL made out of existing molds and colors, or saying “or no one would have as accessible a supplier”) amount to anything, particularly in contrast to the consistent open and private onslaught of actual shit throwing directed at Jaleel?

Disregard the tribe opinion and think for yourself. A business succeeds by focusing on customers and using profits to expand into goods/services that enough of its customers want to be profitable- this is FA does, and some people just don’t want the competition. Claims of “community interests” boil down to very thinly veiled calls for protectionism.

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@PresidentCamacho
"Which shows more integrity? In this specific attempt at stirring up a shitstorm, who exactly was making the dubious or misleading claims?"

At this point, I’d say amounts of integrity are unquantifiable. Both sides are imperfect within varying capacities and there is no need to falsely dichotomize those capacities. So who shows more integrity? No sides, both have compromised it.

Let’s dial it back first. For this discussion, how is integrity defined? Simply taking a definition from dictionary.com, Integrity is: “adherence to moral and ethical principles; soundness of moral character; honesty”

So if we value something or someone as having or not having “integrity,” we must come to a clearly set and understood standard of “integrity” and especially within this capacity as an arcade parts vendor.

It would be difficult to further the discussion based on ambiguously defined or understood glittering generalities (vague words or phrases used to evoke positive/negative feelings rather than to convey concise information.) So before I can really make a claim and defend it, thus making an argument, we must come to an agreement of what does it truly mean to have integrity as a vendor.

So when we talk about “who has made slime chucking (both in pm and in public) and community peer pressure the cornerstones of their business, and who has made customer service the cornerstone of theirs,” we have the concept of peer pressuring, the concept of mudslinging, the concept of customer service as aspects of integrity, whether valued positively or negatively.

Other aspects may include product description misleading (if intentional or not intentional). Other aspects may include community or Customer-Vendor transparency. Other aspects may include a number of many other factors. There isn’t a zero sum game either when it comes integrity. Just because one has great customer service (in regards to communication, feedback, and timely shipping & delivery) doesn’t negate misleading product descriptions or misleading stories of distribution experiences. In this case, these are alleged cases; and I won’t say it did or did not happen. I do not have that information. I do not have sufficient information. Even these alleged “on-goings” between people on Private Messaging and Direct Messaging, I have insufficient information to decide one way or another.

So lastly for now, based on what I have seen, how I have been serviced, and what I have experienced, I would come to the ephemeral conclusion that neither side, in this case between Paradise Arcade Shop and Focus Attack, shows more integrity than the other. If I want to keep close to my values of logical argumentation, I don’t know what the standards of integrity are for an arcade parts vendor. If I don’t know those standards, I don’t know if each company or the persons involved adhere to those standards of integrity. So I then state, “I do not know if Paradise Arcade Shop and Focus Attack adhere to standards of vendor integrity.” “I do not know who has ‘more integrity’ than the other.” That is the most logical conclusion I can come to so far within this discussion. There are the known unknowns such as the PMs/DMs and what have you. Then there are the unknown unknowns in this conversation that may factor into the overall argument that we simply haven’t brought to the table yet because we don’t know that they’re there. So I’ll leave it at that.

That being said, I like the products I have purchased from both places and I hope I don’t have a hawked loogie in any of my future transactions/purchases from either company just because I expressed my honest perspective on the issue. Doing so anyways would be indicative of a lack of character, prestige, and “integrity.” I got most of what I wanted anyways, I could just order from Arcade Shock and Akishop from now on. B)

4522

Like I’ve said in prior discussions, you’re better off ignoring the chatter and basing your opinions on your own transactions and transactions of others that you observe.

As to what’s misleading, I maintain that the accusations made are largely trumped up in effort to further sell the perception of a lack of integrity.

In a situation devoid of the personal interactions a small forum facilitates, would you not take accusations against business A from business B (when B is a heated rival facing increasing encroachments on what they see as “their” market) and its buddies with a pretty large chunk of salt?

4523

I don’t understand why you think that your opinion should matter at all. What insight do you have on the truth of the accusations made against FA? Jaleel is lucky to have someone like you on his dick to rationalize all the shade. Keep it sleezy Camacho.

4524

“Shade” like purple iL buttons, calling competing products “copycat actuators” and saying “…or no one would have as accessible a supplier”? That’s straw grasping at best, and you damn well know it.

Pretty ironic that one of the primary PAS cheerleaders (who I got along with otherwise prior) would accuse me of dick riding.
There’s a whole squad of you circle jerking the opposition, and yet a single person dissenting from the pack gets your collective panties in an awful bunch.