Excuse my blashpemy, but Street Fighter IV SUCKS BALLS!

[megadeth078]

I’m pretty sure a troll already knows when he’s trolling

[ZeroSumHappiness]

boy, what a disappointment this turned out to be. Since i don’t have a console, i had to wait for months in eager anticipation for the long-awaited sequel to one of my favourite fighting series to be released on pc. Finally getting it up and running on this old laptop just filled me with a boyish delight i had not known since mvc2 was released. But after playing around with it for a few days and unlocking some of the hidden characters, i had to give in to that nagging feeling in the back of my head: Street fighter iv is a lousy fighting game!

Okay, before i move onto the complaints, let me highlight what i do like about the game. Presentation-wise, sf4 is flawless. The theme song by exile is notoriously catchy and the stage tracks are all very memorable. Likewise, capcom did an excellent job squeezing mountains of dialogue into the game, and it’s a delight to hear all our favourite fighters speak english. Graphically, although there was a lot of controversy surrounding the style at first, i really enjoy watching the character animations and facial expressions prior to an ultra combo. So in the audio-visual department at least, sf4 is a success.

Where it disappoints is the actual gameplay. To put it simply, it’s fifteen years old! this is super street fighter ii turbo all over again. It was a great game for it’s time, but hasn’t the series evolved in the slightest after all these years? Capcom did pursue gameplay enhancements in its other fighting games, particularly regarding combos. I refer you to the superb system used in the vs. Series. People say that’s it’s a totally different style from street fighter, but it’s not! It’s the evolution of what began with glitch combos in street fighter ii. Capcom first included a genuine combo system in night warriors by cancelling a light punch or kick into a heavier one. This was later improved upon in marvel super heroes with super cancels and super jumps, and eventually perfected in tatsunoko vs. Capcom with variable moves, delayed hyper combos, baroque and more.

So while the vs. Series has seen constant improvements to the gameplay, street fighter iv seems to have regressed to an infantile state. The combo system is shit. Punches and kicks don’t cancel into one another, so there’s little reason to open a combo with a light hit. You can’t hit someone on the ground, and hitting someone in the air can be a nightmare. Sometimes you can uppercut a falling opponent, sometime in west philadelphia i was born and raised, on the playground was where i spent most of my days. Chilling out maxing relaxing all cool and shooting some b-ball outside of the school when a couple of guys who were up to no good started making trouble in my neighborhood. I got in one little fight and my mom got scared; she said ‘you’re moving with your auntie and uncle in bel air’

ftfy.

[tribaL]

if by making topics to see what people say is how certain people get their rocks off then i really understand that their life fucking blows.

he may get a chuckle, but it only took me 20 seconds tops to write my post, and another minute to check the thread to see if someone responded to me. he obviously took some time to write his, and i’m quite sure he’d be checking and reading every single message.

[craze]

I got nothing to say except IB4L!

later man!

[Lefty]

Where it disappoints is the actual gameplay. To put it simply, it’s fifteen years old! This is Super Street Fighter II Turbo all over again. It was a great game for it’s time, but hasn’t the series evolved in the slightest after all these years?

I strongly disagree with this statement. SF4 is MUCH more deeper than the old 'turbo. Having the choice to use the super meter as an offensive AND defensive move is brilliant. It’s like a game of chess, it’s more strategic. I understand some of your squabbles about the game in general but it just takes more practice to understand and appreciate a game like SF4. Keep at it, you’ll be addicted in no time!

[System_1]

Two pages and not one truly constructive post directed at the OP?

I know. Sad, isn’t it? People say I’m just a whiny, ignorant brat, but all they can do is write snarky remarks like:

In before the flames of hell engulf what is known today as Glitcher.

i was going to make a comment about your join date, but then i saw it was '04 and not '09. you have disgraced your '04 family.

:lame:

You waited for the game to come out on PC?

lawl

G G your life.

etc. etc.

Looks like you and I came off as the mature ones here, Dysan. :smokin:
Still, I have to disagree with you on some of your points.

It has been so many years since the release of Super Street Fighter II Turbo, yet there are still world-wide tournaments being held for the game. While the game is simplistic in nature, that’s what makes it so great. Any newbie can slap buttons and see cool things happen, unlike other more technical games like Tekken where you’ll accidentally throw out the same move over and over until you get K.O.'d. This attracts more and more newbies. Once that newbie understands which button-slaps do what moves, though, then he’s taken the first real step into the Street Fighter realm.

I fail to see the analogy. Don’t games like Tekken and Soul Calibur require button combinations like Street Fighter to perform special moves? Wouldn’t newbies discover moves in those games by ‘slapping buttons together’? And wouldn’t there be more to find?

It sounds to me like the methodical style of Street Fighter just isn’t your thing. The only time a stand-alone SF game every became “crazy” was with Alpha and the custom combos. BlazBlue and Guilty Gear sounds more like something you would like, if you’re looking for lots of technical extras.

Yeah, whatever happened to that? The Excel meter did offer a lot more combo possibilities, and Capcom could easily have offset excessive damage with scaling. Yet another option the game is lacking.

It may seem that way, but it’s actually deeper than that. You can only mash out basic combos. Due to the way things work, you have to time your hits so that your next move lands just as your first finishes, as opposed to canceling one hit into another.

I don’t know what to say here, but the game is very consistent if you understand what’s going on. Yeah, if you throw out a Shoryuken when someone does a shallow jump-in, of course you’re not going to hit him. Likewise, if they jump completely over you, your move is likely to miss. The only thing I can think of that could be considered inconsistent is that Dan’s idle stance has him throw his arms around, which slightly alter his hitboxes… but even then, it’s still consistent to what you see.

There seems to be a conflict of gameplay here. Capcom claim that simplifying the moves list makes the game more accessible. But if combos have no cancelling, no ground hits and require more precise timing to juggle, how is that more accessible?

Tapping down on the joystick or pressing any two buttons right as your character hits the ground will have them quickly bounce back up, unless you were hit by a move with a special property to keep them down. Regular Shoryukens, however, don’t have this. Dashing forward is plenty useful too, just don’t dash when your opponent is looking for an opportunity to strike.

I’m aware of the quick recovery, but I still try to avoid flooring my opponents because, without ground hits, the gameplay feels slowed down. Dashing could have been so much better by extending the range of your hits or performing a charge attack like Pocket Fighter. Again, it just feels lacking.

What? Are you expecting DBZ air battles or something?

You say that like it’s a bad thing. Won’t mid-air combos offer more gameplay possibilities? Still, I don’t complain about other fighting games that have minimum air attacks like Tekken or Soul Calibur because the 3D movement and extra moves make up for it.

Jumping is an important part of any fighter, and just like any other move in the game, it can be risky to use. If you happen to jump at the same as your opponent does, well, take action. How can you get confused if you supposedly have so few options? It’s as if you’re saying “help, this guy is standing in front of me. wth i do?”

Actually, it’s more like being a boxer and having one arm tied behind your back. You have fewer options available to you and you could still theoretically win with one arm, but it’s not something you’d be good at or know how to do properly if you’re used to fighting with both fists.

Have you seen what a good Guile player can do with just those two moves? It’s not like a character with a hundred specials would be a god-tier character.

The Focus Attack allows for a lot of opportunities. Dash in for a combo, throw out a few hits, and bait your opponent to retaliate. Right when you think he’s going to do a move, just Focus Attack it and stop him in his tracks. You can use it as a parry just as well as a cancel to create bigger combos.

With too many Supers, you create a “high-risk, low reward” situation. Instead of just worrying about a Shinku Hadouken and dealing with that, you also have to worry about a Shin Shoryuken and Shinku Tatsumaki. Jumping in isn’t smart, dashing in is just as dumb. You certainly can’t just wait, because he’ll come at you. What can you do?

You know what? Forget super moves. Why not just have simple punches and kicks? You could make a balanced fighting game out of that by judging your attacks depending on speed and damage. On second thoughts, scratch that. Why not just have one attack button? Yeah, that’s right. One attack. You’d have to win by timing when to block and strike. You could make a game out of that. It would be a balanced fighting experience. But dammit, it wouldn’t be any fun! Don’t you want more punches and kicks? Don’t you want more moves? Don’t you want more attack possibilities? Don’t you want more?

If you go and do what 3rd Strike did, where you pick which Super you want… well, everyone’s just going to use the best one anyways and you’ve nullified your argument.

So why not just have all Ultras (or Supers or whatever) available to you like in the Alpha or VS. games? Ultras are simply stronger moves, and like all moves, there’s one for every occassion. You’d need a Shinkuu Hadouken to attack someone from a distance, or a Shinryuuken to counter a jump-in attack, or a Final Atomic Buster to catch a turtle off-guard. I reiterate, more moves = more possibilities.

Honestly, you may be better off there. Street Fighter is not about jumping off walls and shooting laser beams out of every pore on your being, cancel into planet-crushing, Dream Cancel into an LSD-induced coma.

Honestly, I probably would. There’s a phenomenon going on here that I don’t understand. I’m a hardcore fighting fan, but I don’t see what’s so special about SF4. I’m more eager to see what’s in store for the VS., Soul Calibur or Smash Bros. games. Have you noticed that each installment has gotten better with the inclusion of more gameplay enhancements? Take the hint…

[System_1]

well I turned 28 yesterday I guess that gives me the right to flame you

I will simply say that there is a is a new vs coming out soon I hope you will enjoy that one

[nacor_cb]

boy, this game is not for you.

and that doesnt mean it sucks at all.

[DevilJin_01]

SFIV is dank.

[EveryFlowerFlow]

^Honestly SFIV isn’t my favourite game either, but it’s miles better than that other SF game people used to be crazy about before it came along.

[VeNOM2099]

I’d play Mortal Kombat: Sub Zero rather than play any of the MvC games. You obviously like button mashing over execution and strategy, that’s fine.

I don’t get why people are so up in arms over your choice though; I mean, one less scrub Ken flowchart or Turtle Ryu to get through when playing online and then sends you hate mail or ragequits when he loses. People here should be THANKING YOU!!

[purbeast]

wow the OP is so full of fail, and it doesn’t have to do w/his opinion of not liking the game.

1. OP thinks you can’t cancel regular moves and therefore starting combos with light punches/kicks is bad.
2. he wants air blocking - no SF game (in the original SF line) has had air blocking, why would it now?
3. saying there is no consistency with what will happen - just flat out wrong.
4. dashes are usless - again just flat out wrong. the dash is the basis for FADC.

i mean the list can go on and on but it’s pointless because the OP obviously has no clue what to do in this game.

[UltraDavid]

if by making topics to see what people say is how certain people get their rocks off then i really understand that their life fucking blows.

he may get a chuckle, but it only took me 20 seconds tops to write my post, and another minute to check the thread to see if someone responded to me. he obviously took some time to write his, and i’m quite sure he’d be checking and reading every single message.

On his birthday, no less. Hope things are better for you next year, Glitcher.

[Reno]

This has gone on long enough.