Evo 2014 Feedback Thread

Most favorite:
$2 Main stage - the production value of grand finals was awesome. I really enjoyed watching this year!
$1 Vendors

Least favorite:
$3 Hotel
Almost everything about the Westgate/LVH was bad. The hotel itself didn’t have many options in terms of food and everything was overpriced for the quality of the hotel. Since it was so secluded from the other hotels in the area, it was difficult to venture out for food. The staff at the hotel were continually rude and slow to get anything done. It was definitely the worst customer experience I’ve had at any hotel in Las Vegas. I also heard that a staff member told another guest that they would call the cops if they saw you getting pizza delivered (although I was able to do it successfully). There were always long lines for the elevators, which actually wouldn’t have been a huge issue if they functioned properly. I could go on, but I’ll stop there since a number of people have brought up the other issues already.

The good:

  • 2$ The hotel. It was my first time attending EVO but I have attended other big events such as MTG tournaments and the fact that EVO took place within a hotel, and a good one at that (it was above average), made everything much easier/comfortable.
  • 1$ Last day organisation/schedule. While some finals took more time than needed (a lot of people, me included, fell asleep), the whole day felt like a breeze.

The bad:

  • 2$ Expensive food. It tasted good but 8$ was maybe a bit much and 4$ for a bottle of water and 3$ for a can of soda was unreal, and that’s by London’s standards.
  • 1$ Lack of chairs during pools. Standing around all day was really tiring and sitting on the ground wasn’t always a possibility.

Other than that, it was a pretty memorable event. Would come again.

Good Things

$1 Free water
$1 Big Screens all over the place
$100 to Staff and Judges for good attitude when asked for information.

Bad Things

Thanks Special thanks to Tony Cannon and Joey to fix my problem to help me to attend the most prestigious event

Good things
$1 LVH’s convention center; Plenty of space, tables and chairs set up in between the two rooms for eating.
$1 Indie Booth and vendors; I loved how the vendors were setup this year and they were very organized. Indie games were fun but they need a little more room to spread out.
$1 main stage presentation/production

Bad things:
$2 LVH food options; expensive burgers and drinks. The next viable option would be that pizza hut express with an eternal long line. Can the LVH or next hotel allow food trucks?
$1 not enough seating during day 2 to watch the main stage

the good:

$1 - the main screen was awesome, great presentation. i also liked how on saturday they had on marvel stream on the big screen and the second stream on the smaller screens.
$1 - probably the most spacious evo i’ve been to
$1 - free water

the bad:

$1 - the location, the lvh is far from the strip, and the guest service was pretty bad. the rooms weren’t much better
$1 - evo food was way too expensive for what it was worth.
$1 - lack of streams on friday. why were matches like daigo vs john choi and the rest of the losers matches not streamed or recorded (barring phone footage). this got solved on saturday

Didn’t attend EVO but the main problem I had for the stream was that for usf4 we missed a ton of matches. How come we didn’t have a second stream for sf brackets like EVO had for umvc3 day 2?

Everything else with the stream was fine for me

Definitely an improvement from last year! With the rate at which EVO is growing yearly, where can we guess at the next one being? I don’t particularly mind paying more venue since EVO is basically a convention these days and $60 is insanely cheap for a Vegas convention venue.

Pros:
$2 BYOC - It was the biggest yet, but it can still never be big enough for side-tournaments

$1 Playable Builds of upcoming games - Getting to play UNIEL and Xrd before they come stateside was great

Cons:
$2 I want more main games - I realize that it’s not 2008 anymore and the logistics of how many people are going to EVO and the varied growth between game demographics and the importance of stream viewership means that some games require a ton more attention, but I’d like to see more of the less platinum games get some stage time. I’d even settle for endorsement of side tournaments / streams from EVO.

$1 Need water coolers in the BYOC - Staying hydrated is really important, especially at a tournament in the desert in summer. I drank (I counted and everything) 18L of water over the course of EVO. While I do always let my bracket runners know where I am at all times and give them my number to text me, there were still times where people were looking for me for one of 6 side tournaments I was in and I was in the main ballroom getting water / in the loo.

This being my third EVO, it was the best time I’ve had at the actual event, but the worst time I’ve had at the hotel it’s taken place in.

Most Favorites:
$2 layout - Great use of space, plenty of screens everywhere, and fantastic to see vendors and game demos able to still stick around on the final day.
$1 presentation - Main stage was handled excellently, tournament was easier to follow than ever, and little to no interruptions to the action.

Least Favorites:
$3 the hotel - Too far away from the strip, and in turn not walking distance from anything noteworthy. $15 charge for terrible wifi. Dysfunctional TVs that didn’t work in any of our rooms. Abysmal service. On the first night, they gave me inactive card keys. When I finally got working keys, my room didn’t have a fridge even though I had paid for a fridge room. I then had to argue with them to give me a non-smoking fridge room despite reserving one in January and paying for it. They did, though it had a shower that was basically just a hose that almost wasn’t useable. The next morning, already in our second room, the sink started to overflow and ooze black sludge out from the drain, forcing us to evacuate and complain to get a third room. All the while, the other half of my group stayed in another room, in which one of my friends took a nap on the second day only to find out there was blood all over the foot of the sheets underneath the blankets. My friends and I have stayed in some abhorrent hotels, even in Chinatown NYC, but none have come close to how disgusting and awful this one was. How did we go from Caesar’s to Paris to this?

Here’s a picture of the black sludge by the way:

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1539914/10474034_10152226803638008_8133452644443651160.jpg

This picture was one just before it started waterfalling out of the sink.

Please never hold EVO in such a trash heap of a hotel again. I had friends flying in from Austria visiting Las Vegas for the first time for this!

From the perspective of a stream monster.

Good:

$2.50 - Production values. It’s obvious how much work goes into making the event look good, and boy did it deliver. From the on-screen graphics to Seth Mussey’s Top 8 intros, the crew delivered again. Only issue I had was a couple of audio mishaps on Sunday (KI’s volume and D1’s speech).

$.50 - OneFrameLink’s stats. Some of them seemed a little funky, but the stats they provided really added to the overall presentation. I’d love to see them do even more in 2015.

Bad:

$1.50 - No SRKEVO3 stream. I don’t know the reasons behind the decision to go from 3 streams last year to essentially 2 1/4 this year (with CapcomFighters going for half a day), but the absence of the third stream was sorely missed. Obviously a lot of us complained about missing so many huge Ultra QF/SF matches, but it would’ve been nice to see more stream time for games like KI, KOF & BB. (Shoutouts to UltraArcade, KingsOfCO and Jyosua for stepping up and streaming pool play in these games, but it would’ve been nice for it to be something other than ‘community stream or nothing.’)

$1.00 - Sunday’s scheduling. It’s awesome that KOF got 3 hours blocked out for their Top 8, but I feel that should’ve been done for Ultra, Marvel and Smash. All of those games can take a long time to go through a Top 8 under normal circumstances, but with everyone taking time for coaching between each set and the awards ceremonies, there’s just no way most Sunday games will wrap up within two hours. I feel Ultra starting so late really impacted the number of viewers willing to wait to watch it.

$.50 - Dead air between games on Sunday. It would be a lot of work to pull this off obviously, but I think having some sort of panel show between games would be great. They could catch new viewers up on rivalries and what to watch for in the upcoming games as well as let people know what’s coming up. Fifteen minutes of an EVO logo won’t make new viewers stick around, no matter how pretty that logo is.

Favorite:
$2: Presentation and number of screens to watch matches (though not the sound volume of them - way too loud)
$1: Number of vendors selling items this year

Hated:
$1.5: The hotel. Maybe once the new management has had it for longer it will be better. The parlor room of our suite hadn’t been cleaned in months it looked like. Dust was caked on everything. Taking the monorail everywhere gets tiring. Much prefer a location on the strip like the last few years. I assume ballroom sizes contribute to some of the planning issues in this regard I’m sure.

$1.5: Pool A60 NOT RUNNING ANYWHERE CLOSE TO ON TIME (we started at 9:30am). This was terrible. How do you not notice you screwed up numbering the pools and the stations when they are clearly numbered in offsets of 20 on the map you printed. 2012 the ballroom didn’t open until 8:30-8:40 for 8am pools, which also sucked then. This time it opened at 8am, but then several of the pools HAD NO STATION CORRESPONDING TO IT. For as many years as EVO has run, this was really messed up. Worst I’ve played in years due to being pissed off with the situation - which led to me missing out on some exclusives being sold. Not sure which was worse - no stations or running Marvel 2/3 for some pools and 3/5 for the rest last year.

Despite all of this, I did have a great time overall again this year, but it’d be nice to go to an EVO and not have any real gripes.

Favorite:
$1: Vendors
$1: Presentation
$1: that positive “energy” throughout the tournament that did not cease to exist

Negative:
$1: Injustice was not patched
$1: There was some bad judges in the mix
$1: Hotel was awful (see black sludge post)

To the folks asking about crowd-commentary audio: it used to happen, but stopped in 2008, I think. Unless players are cool with wearing sound-proof headsets (or just forced to), this won’t happen.

Favorite:
$1: Vendors
$1: Player Profiles on the side screens, gdlk.
$1: Pools were run smoothly, amazing stuff for such a big tournament

Negative:
$3: Hotel location. Too many times I was completely sober without wanting to be. I came to Vegas to party and throw Booms, not just throw Booms.

Favorite:
$1 Vendors (especially being there on Sunday), playing the betas.
$1 Stage, Intro Presentation, Player Facts
$1 Space, BYOC area (much improved from last year)

Negative:
$1 Being in 100 - 110 straight dry degree desert heat of Vegas in the middle of July. Change location (i.e. LA or SD).
$1 Consoles not having DLC or in-game unlocks unlocked (frustrating as a competitor and dealing with it as a judge).
$1 Venue Food Cost

Third year at EVO for me, and good times all around!

The Good Stuff

$2 The Venue. The convention hall setup was easily the best yet for the tournaments and everything else. Easy monorail access to the strip was fantastic, and the price was very reasonable as well. My group even went to the worst reviewed restaurant in the hotel to avoid a crowd, and even that was good! I know some people have had some complaints about the hotel, but I have none at all.

$1 Presentation. Seeing the wider screen when I walked into the main hall, I knew that Sunday Finals was going to have something special to offer. The intros for the games and players was excellent, and really contributed to that big fight atmosphere. Major kudos to those in production for that one.

The Not so Good

$1 Finals Running Long. It’s common knowledge that some games run way longer than others. KOFXIII has traditionally been guilty of this, but since they were moved, the Sunday offender this year was Smash. Even if the matches were hype (which they were), the ruleset made the top 8 feel like a grind.

$1 Consoles not having nesscessary DLC. Far too many Injustice setups were lacking a critical hotfix, which led to a LOT of matches (and even entire pools) to be delayed considerably until they got properly equipped. I didn’t personally get hit very hard by this one as far as time was concerned, but it really jacked up the tension when I have to face 16-Bit right away with Ed Boon himself looming over my shoulder ready to watch our match. Just pull the damn trigger already and start the match aaaaahhhhhh

I really don’t have any other real complaints. I’ve been around this town and EVO enough times to expect some of the other complaints that have been brought up, so nothing else bothered me, and I wouldn’t have it any other way. It left all of us feeling so hype for next year, and I am already prepared for the saltiest runback year in the history of the FGC.

Favorite :

$3 watching SF4

Least Favorite :

$2 a 2nd stream for SF4 pools or at the minimum top 32/64 to stream top players, so much good matchs have been played off stream this year, missing such big matchs is really bad

$1 stream stations should have all costume DLC available for SF4

•Most favorites

•$1Ballroom space was huge.
•$2 Production for finals, intros, stage, top 8 video

•Least favorites

•$2 Please get a deodorant sponsor next year, I’m not willing to be near french people like in USF4 finals
•$1 Venue location, LVH feels far from everything

I was streaming-only this year; I suppose it’s to Evo’s credit that I’m considering attending next year in person. For what that’s worth. :slight_smile:

  • plus side

$2 - Commentary. The vast majority of commentators were super-hype and added to the experience rather than detracted from it.
$1 - Keeping the streams clean. I can introduce my kids to fighting games and not worry about offensive language or inappropriateness.

Honorable mention to SF4 for being completely bonkers hype this year.

  • minus side

$1 - Smash. It’s long, it’s boring. Reduce stocks to two so it’s just like two rounds in another fighter per game. Or give it its own stream. Or something. Use the new version as an excuse to shake things up a bit with the ruleset so it doesn’t take so long.
$1 - Crowding games into a single day. It was interesting, but I would much rather have some MvC and some SF4 on the same day instead of all of one or the other on single days.
$1 - Long days. Quarters/semis run into 3 a.m. on the east coast, which is just super-late. Especially as the number of competitors increases, it looks more and more like Evo is going to need to go four days. IMO things should aim to be done by midnight ET if at all possible.

Stream monster here, have been for the past 4 years.

Pros:
$2 The little extra touches, in the production like the stats from OFL and so on. I can’t put this in a more specific way, unfortunately. Things like Maj’s combo video and game intro clips were great, especially if they can be used to alleviate some of the necessary downtime between games.
$1 Having internet access at the venue, meaning that other groups (read: non-main games) were able to stream their events from the venue (even if not at a magnificent bitrate).

Cons:
$2 Only having one stream going for SFIV/MvC. I realize that it takes quite a bit of work to run each stream, but I think this one area is a huge step down form last year. Even if this has to mean having an extra stream with no commentary, scores on overlays and so on, at least being able to see more of the games - especially between big names - cannot be a bad thing.
$1 Not being able to keep to the schedule. I see a number of people mentioning SSBM, but this wasn’t the only game to run over by quite a bit. This is not only less attractive for potential new viewers, but causes unnecessary friction between the games when fans of game X are made to wait for game Y that they have no interest in to finish. To a new observer this would not only be a bad look for the event (if they don’t know that it’s common for events to run over), but more importantly the in-fighting makes the whole community look bad.

Sidenote relating to the last point that nobody will probably agree with, but I figured it’d be worth putting the idea out there anyway in case it sparks a better one:

[details=Spoiler]It’s common to see schedules for events like this divided into 60-minute segments, which seems logical for a number of reasons, but the simple fact is that the divisions that work best (pools, top8/16, etc.) almost always run over the time allocated. The fact that this happens almost universally would seem to indicate that trying to fit these events into hour-sized blocks doesn’t work. So instead, why not at least consider running with 90-minute/3-hour blocks instead of 60-minute/2-hour blocks?

The main arguments against this set-up I can see would be:

  1. But that means everything will take longer! Not really, because so many games run over as-is. This should mean that the schedules times are realistic, or even if not it should ease the pressure. Even if this means finding a way of balancing some of the early-morning events over two streams or whatever (not necessarily a bad thing if ti means a more reasonable start-time),

  2. **What if a game finishes early? Dead-time on the stream is bad! ** Firstly, it should be pointed out that a game finishing ahead of schedule does not have to mean that you just show the EVO logo until the next schedules event starts - you could look at doing comparatively flexible items like interviews (with the winners if at the end of a game, giving them a chance for shoutouts and to thank their sponsors, but more importantly for the viewers also give their perspective on the matches, show more of the personalities in the event etc., or else with some other prominent person from that game’s community on the matches, the state of the game, etc.), general updates on the event, or even run ads.

But let’s assume that there’s absolutely no leftover manpower to do that. I’d still say that having actual dead-time with just ads, pre-recorded features and a sign saying “NEXT EVENT STARTS AT 2:00 PM PST” running would still be better than having a chaotic system with each event running over each other, because:
a) It gives people at the venue a chance to set up ahead of the next game, which is especially notable when a stream is running an hour+ behind and still needs go go offline for an undetermined amount of time while stuff is switched over.
b) It allows people at home a chance to take a walk, get a drink, etc., and those at the venue a chance to go browse the retailers set up in the lobby, etc. This is fine, because people know when to come back. This isn’t the case when a stream goes offline when there’s no solid schedule, because it could come back any second now…
c) It ensures that if someone (esp. a someone new to watching FGC streams) opens a stream at the time a game is supposed to start, they actually get to see that game
d) It prevents confusion and idle my-game-is-better-than-this-shit stream monstering.
e) It makes it seems like the people running the event have their shit together. I’m certainly not saying that I think they don’t, and I’m sure that running such a large event is many times more difficult than I realize, but it’s about how it looks to someone who doesn’t care about any of that, and is expecting to see game X because it was supposed to start half an hour ago.
f) Someone halfway around the globe who wakes up a 3am to watch their game doesn’t leave thinking “Man, I could have got a decent night’s sleep and still caught the action”.

This was supposed to be saying why 90-minute blocks could work, but the real tl;dr is Whatever you have to do, please find a way of coming up with a stream schedule that you can stick to.[/details]

$1 Tournament hall. Big and lots of space
$1 Cold water in the halls as opposed to the uncooled water stations at Paris last year.
$1 New stage set up with the huge panels on the sides of the match screen. Very nice touch and I hope to see it improve even more next year. Extra tip for the nice Top 8 introductions of each player. Presentation was unparalleled this year compared to the last two years I’ve gone.

$2 LVH Hotel. Pretty much no where near the strip. Requires an expensive monorail to take if we want to go anywhere. The hotel itself is pretty bad in general. They disabled the video inputs so you couldn’t even play your consoles on the TVs in you room unless you brought your own monitor. I really hope you guys go back to the Strip next year, otherwise I may have to question whether or not to come back. For many, EVO isn’t the only reason people are in Vegas.
$1 It felt like there was no AC at all in the tournament hall.