“All the elected officials are switching from a live, in-person speech to videos,” Kyle Whatley, the party’s executive director, said during a town hall livestreamed Tuesday night. “They’re doing that for us in order to focus all the attention on the business of the meeting and to get everybody in and out of here as quickly and as safely as possible.”

I wanna laugh at these idiots and not give a fuck if they die, but they can pass it on and kill people who are trying to live normal lives. So I can only post:

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If that isn’t telling . . . . I don’t know what is.

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The problem with this argument is that everyone has their own perspectives, their own ideas, and their own beliefs on HOW to achieve that, and frankly, they don’t line up with one another in many ways. This makes the very concept of “bringing it to attention” counterproductive, 'cause there’s really no point. It’s known. It HAS been known. It HAS been addressed, 50 years on now. At some point, continuing to have the discussion HURTS the situation more than it helps.

That’s what has brought us here. We see where we can address shit, we address it, but as I said earlier, free will is a bitch. You can set laws to say how life should and shouldn’t be lived, but to continue this discussion as though everyone doesn’t already get it is absurd. Everyone does. People that choose to ignore the laws put in place are the exception, not the norm. Take THEM to task. But to point fingers at a group for the actions of a few is silly at best, and after a while, people just stop tolerating it and push back. That’s what has led us to today’s strife.

To that point, it’s often because one side doesn’t want to listen to the other, or they aren’t talking the same language. Similar to any conflict resolution attempt, it starts with talking. There also has to be action behind those words. It’s counterproductive because it’s all about why I’m right instead of what can I do to make things better.

I agree, but you can also choose to do what is necessary if given the proper motivator.

I suspect that’s what is trying to be done.

Gross generalizations across the board are what got us here. Again, because people rather stay in the bubble of comfort instead of getting a better level of understanding and allowing someone with a different view to change their mind. To be honest, that’s why I often engage with you. We don’t agree (from the onset) often, but I can get to your viewpoint and quite often we both can have a mutual discussion without it devolving into a 2nd-grade level schoolyard diatribe. In many ways, we’re trying to get to the same result, just a different lens and roadmap to getting there.

Again, that’s why I don’t disagree with your position on our fixation of race. It’s a proverbial ghost that’s haunts progress towards an America that can see black, white, etc. people just for what we are, Americans. I just think there needs to be earnest dialogue and action on both sides to help us get there. Honestly, I hope that we get to the point where race isn’t an issue, we just have a ways to go.

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I guess I’ll just have to agree to disagree here, 'cause I don’t believe people are “often not listening to the other side”, to paraphrase. At this point, legally, everything HAS been achieved. Everything beyond this, IMO, is overreach.

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That’s fair. I also don’t think that we can “out-legislate” the problem. Like you said, people are gonna do what they are gonna do. As I learned in a class on law enforcement and bias based policing; everyone has a bias based on their personal experiences. It’s not the bias that’s a problem, it’s how you choose to act on them.

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Oh, ppl are definitely often not listening to the other side. NOT listening to others is why this country is having this Civil unrest and why Covid-19 is fuckin us with no lube.

If Trump had listened when he got wind if Covid-19, we’d probably be in a better spot but he downplayed it until it was too late. He hated Obama so much he fired the team put in place and refused to listen out of spite for Obama

Black ppl here only asked for police reform and to be treated fairly, but ppl aren’t listening (there’s that word again). Theyre renaming streets, business, removing flags, tearing down monuments. Those are cool gestures I guess but they’re literally everything BUT what was asked, which shows that ppl STILL aren’t listening

Everybody is in denial and simply too afraid to listen and talk about some uncomfortable subjects. Ignoring problems hardly ever makes them go away. If we don’t acknowledge that there is a problem, we can’t solve it in any conceivable way

(Hope u don’t feel like I’m talking down or coming at you, I don’t want this post to come off that way at all. This is just my viewpoint and I’m genuinely trying to understand where you’re coming from)

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Mentally deranged people don’t have to transform to your cis-gendered logic BIGOT!!!
REEEEEEEEEE!

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That’s not really what I mean by “not listening”.

Can you tell me what exactly else needs to be done, legally, in society, that hasn’t already been done and isn’t just overreach? The civil unrest is largely due to people either not understanding their own situation and lashing out or just tired of the message that’s been hammered into them for over a decade straight, depending on which side you’re talking about. Not gonna bother addressing covid 'cause that’s a whole special topic (an exception, not the rule), though, as this is unproductive.

Black people are asking for way more than reform and ARE treated fairly, legally. I’m starting to wonder what exactly people think reform actually IS, 'cause whenever I see someone expand on their ideas, it ends up being absolute nonsense. Meanwhile, there are no laws in the books that allow for someone to be treated differently based on their race, so I don’t really get that part. You can find exceptions that exist where injustices have occurred, but that is not the same thing at all. As for the gestures, the whole thing is bread and circuses for quick political points coupled with cash grabs, because what’s being asked for is unreasonable at best.

I don’t exactly understand what conversations are being treated as “uncomfortable” on a wide-scale. If by “uncomfortable”, you mean that there are injustices in the US, there are injustices everywhere. Every injustice can’t be just painted with the same massive brush to try and cover it all; you just create some major overreach and cause MORE problems down the road. The best you can do without overreach is set up laws to assure equality (not equity), and enforce those laws where necessary (this is a case-by-case basis). If you’re talking statistically, the discomfort I see tends to be whenever someone is told to self-reflect. A LOT of statistical injustices are multifacted in their reason for occurring, but mostly a product of their own making. It’s the root of the problem, and addressing the symptoms does nothing to actually fix the issue. But when it comes time to take any kind of personal responsibility, then I start to see discomfort.

With the specific case of BLM, the whole kickoff this go around was from a specific injustice, and one that was, to be quite honest, swiftly dealt with (all of the cops were arrested). But that wasn’t enough (I don’t think anything would have been enough, really), so a heavier handed touch was attempted to appease (overcharge). Now, due to this heavy handedness, the people responsible might have a chance to walk away (had they stuck with reasonable charges, it’d have been open and shut). This got even worse when it was realized they got what they wanted (the specific injustice). They believed they had power (in a way, they did), so it was capitalized on to ride the wave with even bigger demands, crazier logic. We went from a single injustice to attacking a perceived systemic problem based on statistics. But those statistics are multifaceted and can’t even BEGIN to be laid at the feet of police first and foremost. They and the patterns that show are a symptom. The root problem is within. Between home life, family unit, culture, peer expected behavior… these are all things that contribute to the issues at hand just as much as any “systemic” police problem, and they’re all things that have to be addressed within.

But this makes people uncomfortable to talk about.

I get the perception, and there are a lot of bad eggs in the various police forces, and I can recognize a number of problems that COULD be addressed (though none of the true solutions are being taken seriously in favor of hot takes, quick fixes, and misnomers to score political points). It just won’t do anything long term. Until the issues addressed at home are handled, it’ll just prolong the cycle, and the last thing we need is to prolong this shit further, as the longer it goes on, the more divided we become. We’re already on the brink of a race war as it is.

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I don’t know what else you could mean by not listening, they definitely hear what’s going on but it’s not computing or they simply don’t care about problems that don’t affect them

Who knows? I doubt even you have the answers. I have a few suggestions although I don’t have the intricate details that someone more versed would. Doesn’t mean I’m wrong tho

And no, the civil unrest is largely due to ppl of color tired of being marginalized and made to feel that they they’re less than human. Couple that with Covid-19 killing African Americans at an alarming rate, you got a powder keg. You watch TV, u read articles, you KNOW this

And no black ppl are not treated fairly, please stop pushing that angle. This is simply untrue and you have 400+ years of references. Sure, things have improved for blacks, but it ain’t where it should be. Hence the protesting. But I suppose on a technical level you can’t be “wrong” cuz it’s your opinion we have it good now :man_shrugging:t5:

And I wouldn’t exactly say that handled it swiftly, it took about 4 or 5 days to actually charge Chauvin, even later before they charged his buddies and this is WITH video footage. You think if they hypothetically had footage of George Floyd killing a guy clear as day on camera, they’d give him a 4 day reprieve before making an arrest? I know you will say yes, but nah

And I noticed you’ve said this a few times about things not being enough for black ppl. We’re just supposed just take what we can get cuz we have it “good” here? You just don’t get it🤔

And the root of this problem is this paric topic is some ppl won’t stop being racist assholes, judging and treating ppl differently because of their skin. But some were taught hate at a young age so that’s all they know, theyre in their own twisted way victims too. I feel like hate it learned behavior

Yea, BLM started out as holding police accountable, I agree. But they figured, while we here, let’s attack systemic racism as a whole too and there NOTHING wrong with fighting oppression of any kind regardless of race. I don’t see how you think that’s somehow worse. And how is asking to be treated fairly a crazy demand? Blacks asked for basic human rights, not the Krabby Patty formula

And we still don’t have this power you speak of yet cuz we clearly still didn’t get what we asked for, if we do have any power it must not be worth a fuck. Brenna Taylor’s killers (also cops) are STILL free and they just named a law after her which is all kinds of wtf. Some power…

Stuff like this isn’t perceived, it is what it is. There’s a stupid long list of black ppl unjustly murdered on camera, at one point in time, it seemed like every week. This ain’t perception dude. Police kill whites too, not saying they don’t, but they don’t kill em just becuz they’re white

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Someone come get Florida Man!

https://twitter.com/KwCongressional/status/1280641525483999238

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They’d never make laws to target minorities, oh wait…

Does anyone else think that it’s incredibly unethical for any politician to troll and use sarcasm like this? Especially in text where the implied tone is completely lost?

I have to believe that this guy is trying to be funny, but he also has to know that if he doesn’t immediately contextualize this as a joke, people are going to believe this and BTS will be getting death threats by the end of the week.

And even if he does, it’ll still go over the heads of those that love to be outraged.

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This is the same QAnon guy that was saying Beyonce and Patti Labelle were part of the “deep state” a few days ago lol

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Florida dude said Beyonce is actually Italian…

Nnnnnnn…

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Modeled on Wakanda…fucking what!!!

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Oh yea i heard about his new not trump stance a few weeks ago. He was saying he only put on the maga hat to push prison reform.

@Cyntalan

@Optimus124

There’s a lot of issues to cover and a lot to say. I suggest trying to break it down into smaller arguments to maintain the focus of the discussion

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So is the Kanye stunt a subtle way to take away black votes from Biden and allow Trump to win? Like Trump’s advisors came up with it

Or is just being his usual bipolar self?

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