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No but to hold people to a standard that we all have to care about everything in order to what
I can
Empathize
Some people do not care about causes that do not directly effect them. That is not wrong. Everybody has things they care and fight for whether good or bad.
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Iâm sorry but this whole post is nonsense that equates understanding a situation is shit and wrong but recognizing youâre in no position to do anything about is the same as rubber necking.
Iâm not getting bent out of shape, man. Iâm glad you acknowledged that our entire country was founded on colonization though. Itâs not just the leftists.
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I said i did not have the answer.
You need to know a whole lot to answer it
Just as a person i feel bad babies are stuck between being in the streets or being imprisoned. Dying either way.
I wish there was a simple answer. But neither you or eskills have it. And i know i donât
Who said anything about âmerely empathizingâ or being a âgood personâ? I donât need to have known any Native Americans to factor the destruction of their graves into my decision making regarding who to vote for.
Not being able to reasonably do shit about every problem doesnât reflect on your capacity to feel basic human emotions. And if you have to feign empathy for everything, thatâs sociopathy.
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Is it wrong to not want to deal with fuckery?
What youâre saying is a non-sequitur from my original post though. Lefties are always the ones complaining about how the US was formed via colonization yet theyâll move into black neighborhoods, red States, etc and complain that things are not to their liking and demand that it change. That was my whole point. Maybe I didnât illustrate it well, but that was it.
the point is that you care about the destruction of the graves. someone else may not. does that mean they canât empathize with the native americans? no, just means they donât care about that issue. it may be as simple as they donât find the destruction of property something to care about. but in turn could care about the destruction of human life. it doesnât mean they donât have empathy.
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They dont care because they dont understand what those grave sites mean. They are some of the few remaining pieces of proof Natives ever even existed.
Ignorance isnât an excuse.
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I never said that thereâs only one reasonable way people can see situations.
I just disputed the claim that needing to have personal skin in the game to care about anything is ânormalâ.
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I didnât say that was the case all the time, I said sometimes people react empathetically because itâs what they believe theyâre expected to do to be considered a âgood person.â
Ok but thats a very different conversation, not really the one anyone here is having. Youâre talking about duplicitous people. We are talking about the understanding that walking over natives because they are a small minority is wrong. Dont understand why youre talking about duplicitious people when we are talking about the President treating natives like trash by literally blowing their ancestors up.
The whole argument confuses me, if I sat here and said I didnât care about the treatment of Black people because it doesnt effect me (it doesnt) is be called a racist piece of shit for ignoring the shitty way a whole group of people get treated as second class in this country, but when it comes to natives itâs ok to just sweep them under the rug cuz who cares doesnât effect me, too small.
Thatâs so fucking silly imo.
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It would be impossible to spend that much energy. But what I do care about is the fact that I built my entire career in Cultural Resources Management. My day-to-day job is to consult with the government about finding solutions around impacting cultural sites. Section 106 of the National Historic Preservation Act legally binds federal entities to consider the adverse effects their undertakings may have on cultural resources. The Native American Graves Protection and Repatriation Act provides a process for the repatriation of human remains identified during the Section 106 process. These are LAWS. So it doesnât really fucking matter what anyone here cares or doesnât care about. The fact that these laws exist are proof enough that our government decided that itâs important to follow these processes when conducting a federal undertaking.
The issue I have with the way Trump is putting up his wall begins with him completely ignoring Section 106. There are no cultural surveys being conducted. And even worse, there is a KNOWN sacred burial ground, and he is willfully destroying human remains instead of following the legal process of allowing the tribes to repatriate their ancestors.
The fact that my career completely depends on historic preservation laws makes this a huge issue for me personally, regardless of whether I think itâs morally right or wrong. I have a fucking stake in it. This isnât me being a bleeding heart liberal crying about these poor Native people so I can look good, as some morons here would have you believe. There are laws being broken, and I think itâs bullshit that people here defend it.
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which is it? do you care about these native americans like a bleeding heart liberal? or is it just self interest for your job? will the real chadouken please stand up.
Your original post was something to the effect that people who need to be personally affected by something to do anything about it means theyâre sociopaths. People who are personally affected are more likely to do something about the situation rather than just sit and lament that it sucks. Itâs not âsociopathyâ at all, thatâs human nature. You yourself said that causes that are closer to home weigh more heavily.
Reticently was the one who brought up people needing a personal stake in something to care about it being sociopaths.
I think there are different versions of skin in the game. You could say you have skin in the game of racism because people around you doing well is good for everyone.
You have skin in that game, and while the rest of us can acknowledge that what Trump is doing sucks, but you will probably âcareâ more to the point of doing something about it than the rest of us will.
I went to Sitting Bullâs gravesite on that road trip and Iâm not usually the hippie-dippie "energy, man! " Type, but there was something palpable on that hilltop. I hope the tribe sues the government and gets those sites fixed and they can be turned into even better memorials. Maybe a good thing can come from this bad situation.
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First of all, you donât have to be a bleeding heart liberal to care about Trump destroying Native American graves. You just have to not be an asshole, like you.
Secondly, thereâs a reason I got into my field, so caring both about the laws that affect my job and the effects of Trump ignoring those laws on the people heâs impacting are not mutually exclusive.
But I wouldnât expect you to understand that.
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No, I said
Now maybe you misread that- but itâs still right up there.
And that was a general call-out to the idea percolating in here that a person is required to either be directly affected by a tragedy, or know someone who is, to consider it in there decision making.
my problem isnât that you arenât a
" bleeding heart liberal crying about the poor native people."
itâs that you pretended to care by saying:
âIt just takes a little bit of education and understanding that these issues are huge for a group of people who have been oppressed and cast aside for generations.â This shit is real, and it is appalling that he can get away with it. And the fact that you blatantly admit that you donât give a shit makes me lose a lot of respect for you. I mean, this country was built by stomping on these people, so, fuck it, right?"
and why is this a problem? because you were using a bullshit manipulation tactic on infernoman trying to make him look bad and feel bad about not caring about the native americans when you couldnât have cared less about what you were preaching about.
you calling me an asshole after doing this to infernoman is fucking hilarious.
