Guilty Gear Slash is NOT cancelled at ECC, only retards who are mad that James is banned from ECC are saying that to try to get people to NOT come. And people wonder why I have issues with that gaming community…
Slash WILL take place, it’s currently scheduled for Sunday afternoon. I haven’t been able to see what people have been saying on Guilty Gear message boards because James had me banned. However, at least two people told me they are bringing their modded PS2s to play Slash, in addition to what Chaz is bringing, so we should definitely be good here.
Also, since it seems like there might be a demand for team tournaments now, I will definitely consider it. IF these take place, it will either be Saturday night, or during the day on Sunday. The only reason I can’t set it in stone right now is because we have to see how long it takes to get through CvS2/3s singles on Saturday, and depending on that we will begin to take registrations for team tournaments.
Possible team tournaments are:
-CvS2 3-on-3
-3s 3-on-3
-ST 3-on-3 OR random teams drawn out of a hat (to prevent ridiculousness like Team God a few years back)
If we can get 8 teams for any of these tournaments, I will definitely hold them. SO if you are interested, POST HERE with your team!
NOTE: I will NOT be taking pre-registration for these tournaments through Paypal, only because they are TENTATIVE and I don’t want to have to refund money if for some reason they end up not happening.
One other note: There is a strong possibility of an Alpha 2/Alpha 3 singles tournament happening on Sunday as well, so if you are interested you should definitely let people know!
You believe rumors from people on IRC without consulting anyone,
You still insist on hating on ECC and staff for your own selfish reasons.
More than likely it was James or one of his friends who is spreading rumors, nothing I can do about that, but don’t believe everything you hear from nobodies.
yes, making sure there’s a good tourney for everyone who attends regardless of what game they play is very selfish of me
it’s selfish to think that a person driving X amount of miles to play a game that isn’t MVC2 deserves the same amount of respect as someone who came only for the big games even though i don’t care for the game they play
it’s selfish of me to try to make sure ECC and the legacy Todd/Phi created isn’t destroyed by comments from the “king of hate” and his idea of alienating certain groups of gamers because he doesn’t care for their lifestyle or for whatever reason
i’m a very selfish person
i didn’t say i believe the rumors, i said “i heard” big difference
Yes, but when it comes to ECC this year, he is not selfless at all. First he posted in here shitting on Wigfall and I, asking us if we even cared about ECC, when it’s an obvious answer that we do and it’s an insult to be asking something like that.
Then he followed me onto the Tekken Zaibatsu forums after I had explained to the Tekken community that we could not hold a full-scale DR tournament at ECC (and even outlined the cost to rent/ship another cabinet to the Break and why it was unreasonable), and instead of backing us up, decided to shit on us again, basically saying we should find DR boards and superguns and somehow learn how to hook them up. He basically said we didn’t care about Tekken either and it was our incompetence that led to the problem with Tekken at ECC. This was all AFTER I had already explained to the Tekken community that it is unreasonable to expect Wigfall and I to find Tekken DR boards, rent them, pick them up, hook them up some special way, etc., all for ONE game at ECC. That is just a ridiculous demand for one game, and even EVO isn’t having DR this year, so there is no issue up for debate. However, Rob, decided to basically make it look like we didn’t care about Tekken, which is NOT true. It was only after Jinmaster decided to selfishly run an Tekken DR tournament the same weekend as ECC that we said screw this, Tekken is cancelled, let Jinmaster take the blame for separating the community because he’s a selfish pig.
Now, every time I turn around we have Rob trying to find tiny mistakes to make me look bad. OH MY GOD, it was only the past two EVOs NOT the past three that used PS2 versions of CvS2…OH MY GOD ECC used DC one year not PS2…who cares?
Now he’s on here basically shitting on me again, saying that Guilty Gear Slash is going to suck because of some drama that went on over 3 months ago, even trying to spread rumors that Slash is cancelled because of what some idiot on IRC said. WRONG. I already talked to someone in the Guilty Gear community who has been all over the Guilty Gear message boards, who said that they view Slash as being in the hands of Chaz, so LOTS of people are coming. In fact, a LOT of gamers are going to the Ohio tournament on Saturday, then flying into Jersey for the Slash tournament on Sunday of ECC, according to my sources.
The ONLY person who is saying Slash is cancelled at ECC is James Austin, a.k.a. the person I had to ban from ECC for HIS OWN GOOD because of the ridiculous things he said (and KEPT saying after being warned). I’m afraid if we let him go, he would actually be in danger for “crossing the line” perhaps not from Wigfall and myself, but from someone else without as much self control. It is just the smart thing to do, I do not want to tarnish the legacy of ECC by having somebody beat the crap out of James because of dumb shit he said here on IRC. James is in #capcom as rabiteluv and he has been trying to talk shit about ECC and basically make it seem like it sucks…but from Guilty Gear players I know, it’s not working, and nobody in the community gives a shit that he’s banned from ECC besides himself.
I honestly have no idea WHY Rob Sigley is out to make me look bad. I never did a fucking thing to him, until he decided to come in this thread and shit on Wigfall and myself (and don’t even try to say he didn’t, it’s pretty much in black and white, when somebody asks you “if you care about ECC” and you’re running the fucking tournament). Don’t worry Rob, the legacy of ECC will not be ruined because of things I said. If ECC DOES fail in any respect, the only thing I can foresee is
because there is no Tekken (which is out of our control, Jinmaster did this of his own will and we are not willing to spend thousands of dollars to have multiple DR cabs at ECC, and obviously no other major tournament is either, so SUE ME)
because there MIGHT not be as good of a turnout for Guilty Gear Slash as we’d like. NOT because of the comments I said MONTHS ago which most people don’t even fucking remember, but because James Austin is on a mission to make ECC look bad through IRC and Guilty Gear message boards, because he said some of the dumbest shit ever on SRK and now doesn’t want to face the consequences of his own actions.
The ONLY reason I can think that Rob Sigley is so pissed at me is because, at previous Phi-run tournaments including ECC, he’s been his “right hand man,” pretty much running CvS2 and other side events. That’s great, but guess what, ECC is not run by Phi this year and we don’t need your help. Seriously. I’m sorry you’re taking it in such a bad way and you think you’re experienced and a professional…and Phi has addressed me as being “unprofessional”…but let’s get serious: THE MOST UNPROFESSIONAL THING YOU CAN DO IS TRY TO SHIT ON THE NEW STAFF OF ECC AT EVERY FUCKING SECOND, ACROSS DIFFERENT WEBSITE MESSAGE BOARDS. YOU are hurting ECC right now more than Wigfall or myself ever could. GET OVER YOURSELF. If you have something to say, say it to US, and not here where you are tarnishing the image of ECC as a whole.
That’s all I have to say about this issue, if Rob says anything else I’m just going to ignore it, and leave the rest of the comments in this thread for real tournament information.
Well DSP, in all honesty (and my apologies if this causes even more drama) the comments you made at the begining of this thread towards the Guilty Gear players are the sole reeason there’s another tournament being held in Ohio. In reality it has nothing to do with Jamie. The comments you made were pretty much uncalled for, and when Sigley and myself tried to tell you GG would have been better of Sunday, that’s when you threw up the wall, accused much of the GG of not having much devotion, and basically slapped them all in the face.
Now they’re obviously going to prove you wrong by attempting to go to BOTH tournaments in the span of less then half a day, and that INCLUDES the guy who’s running GG at ECC.
Come on man, think things through before you speak. As much as your set up for having GG on Friday was a positive thing (what with the Break likely being empty) it still gave off the air of having to separate the GG community from the entire rest of the tournament, like you really didn’t really want to bother with them.
Phi never had a problem with GG. He had it at every tournament that he held for as long as I had attended, even when we had no more than 10 folks enter. Hell, last year Phi went so far as to let me play Melty Blood, a fighter on the PC in the same room as GG, and in all honesty folks actually came to play it, even Combofiend.
Having the top four Capcom titles at ECC is a given, but it’s odd that you were originally were not going to hold Slash, especially since every other major this year didn’t even give it a second thought as to NOT having it in their roster, and you yourself attended a few of them. Come on now. Sigley was even going to have set ups for FotNS and Melty Blood.
And as much faith as I have in the GG community, I wouldn’t be surprised if the numbers were low this year, but I just hope it isn’t the END of GG at ECC.
I’ll be the first to say this, but don’t be surprised to hear people say that they wish Sigley was running ECC instead of you. I won’t lie when I say that I do favor Sigley a bit more, but I still have faith in you.
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ECC sounds corrupt as hell. I guess that’s what you get for running a tournament in Jersey. :lol: I’ll try to see if I can make it (not working that weekend) so I can show up in 3S with my Ibuki. :tup:
The only reason there was drama between myself and Guilty Gear players was because, months ago, I posted that I was thinking of doing Guilty Gear Reload, and there was a MASSIVE backlash in my face. Everybody was basically saying “Slash or nothing” and I basically complied and said we will either have slash, or NOTHING. At that point, Slash hadn’t even been released for Japanese PS2 (and there wasn’t even a set release date) so we had no idea if it would be available for ECC or not. It was pretty much the same situation as Tekken DR ended up in - at that point, it looked like we would have had to go through a ridiculous amount of trouble to get enough supplies together to run a full-scale Slash tournament. In fact, to be totally honest it is STILL up in the air whether or not we will have enough Japanese PS2s/copies of Slash to run a good tournament, because we are depending pretty much 100% on donated Japanese/modded PS2s and copies of the game. If the Guilty Gear community does not bring these pieces of equipment, there will not be a Slash tournament. I don’t know about you, but as the director of a major tournament, I don’t like completely depending on others, but I hope it does work out.
Oh, by the way, having Slash on Sunday WILL cut into the schedule exactly as I’ve said all along, and if things get delayed (including top 16 of CvS2 and top 16 of 3s) I’m simply going to have nothing to say but “the Guilty Gear players demanded they have their tournament on the weekend.” As it is, Friday is pretty much WIDE OPEN because nobody wanted to have their tournament then. It’s funny that for EVO everybody can make it out for three days, but when it comes to ECC all we get is whining and complaining. I’m sorry, but this IS a dedication issue.
Phi never had a problem with ANYTHING. Phi would try to have every possible game on the planet at ECC, and that has both good and bad side effects. It’s great to involve everyone possible, but at the same time, you have to be realistic: the Break is not growing every year, it is the same small, cramped location that ECC has always been held at. We have outright been told by Phi that ECC is NOT allowed to move because the ECC name basically started at the Break and out of respect it will always be held at the Break. Given this limitation, it is pretty unreasonable that we should decide to include every single game at ECC every single year. NO MATTER WHAT, NO MATTER WHAT ANYONE SAYS, IT WILL BE THE “BIG FOUR” CAPCOM GAMES THAT GET PRIORITY OVER ALL ELSE AT ECC. It was always Capcom fighters that kept ECC alive (and was the reason ECC began) so to not give priority to those tournaments would be insane. I’ve been around the SF community since 1991 and I live and bleed these games, and I’m not going to short-change the players that have been around since the 1990s and have kept this community alive, for newer games, under ANY circumstances. I absolutely DON’T want people playing after midnight, and I DON’T want tournaments going until 8am, which HAS happened in the past at ECC.
The fact of the matter is, you can please some of the people all of the time, you can please all of the people some of the time, but you CANNOT please all of the people all of the time. As much as we would love to have every single fighting game present at ECC, and have them all at the times that everyone wants them in, and be able to ship in DR cabs and yadda yadda yadda…we do not have the money, time, or space to do so. This year we went with a lot of difficult decisions:
-Putting 3s on console instead of arcade cabinet, because in past years, LOTS of players have complained that the cabinets at the break are too cramped to play and the controls are sub-par
-Putting switch sticks into ST because most old-school players hate perfect 360s for that game
-NOT having a full-scale Tekken DR tournament because it would be ridiculously costly and time consuming
-NOT having Tekken 5 after Jinmaster announced his tournament in Philly the same weekend of ECC
-Moving Slash around into different time slots until it was finally decided to be run on Sunday
-Predicting that Dead or Alive 4 would be worthy of a tournament after low turnout at Texas Showdown and a non-existant tournament at Final Round (thanks to…guess who?..JINMASTER!). Apparently this is working out, because people on the Dead or Alive forums seem excited, especially now that DOA4 is announced for EVO.
It’s EASY to sit on the sidelines and criticise, and say that we did this wrong and we went the wrong way there, but try being in the shoes of Wigfall and myself, trying to please hundreds of gamers while not screwing over any particular audience. Throw in the fact that we weren’t even sure that Chris Cotty would approve of everything until a few weeks ago, and the fact that we had TWO completely new games coming out that everybody wanted to play (Slash and DR) and you’ll realize that it’s a lot more complicated than just saying “yes” to everyone and giving everyone what they wanted. To be COMPLETELY honest, if it weren’t for Tekken being cancelled, I still have no idea how Slash would have been able to be run on Sunday and not delay all of the finals of the other, major tournaments.
I’m sure Todd and Phi have faced this kind of criticism before as well, so it’s no news to me. I remember the days of reading Todd’s rants (even listening to the audio rant after an ECC when people accused the East Coast players of throwing ice at Ricky Ortiz, and Todd had to defend himself) and this kind of thing is nothing new at all. The fact of the matter is, when Phi announced he was not going to run ECC anymore, it was Wigfall and I that stepped up…not Rob Sigley, not anybody in the Guilty Gear or Tekken communities. We volunteered to do this and we were fully prepared to take on all the work, and the criticism, that goes with it. Hey, I even got the added bonus of getting fired for no reason whatsoever! But that’s besides the point.
The fact is, we are working to make ECC the absolute best tournament it can be. We’re confident that the changes we’ve made this year WILL make ECC a better tournament overall for the people who attend. When else have you ever been to a touranment that had polls asking what kind of controls you wanted, what version of a game you wanted to play, and then actually ACTED off of those results? Next year, if ECC totally flops THIS year, somebody else can step up and take control of ECC, whether it be Phi or Rob Sigley or whoever. But I guarantee that this year ECC will NOT flop, in fact it will be a huge success, with not only the highest-quality MvC2 tournament, but the only ST tournament with switch-stick controls, a quality 3s tournament with the controls everyone CHOOSES to play on, and FINALLY a CvS2 tournament with MULTIPLE STATIONS at ECC…no more ONE cabinet schenanigans. Throw in the only official DOA4 tournament to be held pre-EVO on the East Coast, and a Slash tournament held on the day the players demanded it, and you’ve got a winning combination. Oh, and don’t worry, I know how to draw up brackets
Do not worry, ECC is in good hands, and it will be just as good, if not BETTER, than previous years, in 2006.
ah… acctualy I belive the reason theres a ohio tourny for GG in may is cuz… Well… there was already one being planned for may in the first place. The only reason it was put in as the same weekend was…
Trying to have it say the week before ECC or something like that is iffy, cuz well then you are asking people to come to 2 tournments so close to each other and its hard to get off work etc etc…
After it was said like it might not even be slash, and MAIN reason that GG could be on FRIDAY it was decided well ECC obviously is having GG as a after thought, so may as well just put it the same week as ECC and try and steal from them, since most people dont want to go on friday anyway.
I dont think it had to do with any comments what so ever or anything like that, just these reasons above.
Nah Clayton, j1n quoted DSP’s comments in the first post of his thread on DL. Either it came out of the blue with spite, or perhaps in your scenario it was already being planned, but the ‘comments’ being thrown around maybe pushed j1n to spite DSP, thus planning it the same weekend as ECC.
I think a lot of the playes in this community need to take a step back from their ECC bashing and take into account the massive undertaking Phil and Josh have taken on. Co-ordinating a tournament isn’t easy. Co-ordinating a major is near impossible. Simply put, you can’t please everybody. Everyone has a priority when it concerns a major whether it’s GG or Marvel or fill in the blank here. The directors can only do so much as it concerns finding a balance for all of the gamers.
While I’m sure that Phil and Josh feel a stronger attachment to the Capcom games, to say that they classify 3D gamers or the GG community as second class is harsh and judgemental. No director goes into a major tournament thinking that they are going to disregard a popular game. If they can find a means to accomodate everyone, they will do just that. However, asking a director to bend over backwards and spend money out of their own pockets for a particular game is ridiculous. If anything, the community of gamers should come together and do whatever they can to make their tournament happen.
Phil and Josh need Japanese and modded PS2’s for GG. The GG community obviously has the hardware because they’re all playing on it, yet the ECC staff still doesn’t have the material. Why? Is it really so hard for 5 - 6 people out of the masses of players to give up their hardware for a weekend? I don’t even play GG and I volunteered my modded PS2, and made extra copies of the game just for the players.
As someone who had directed major tournaments, I know first hand that directors need the players to assist in order to pull off a strong tournament. No tourney goes off without a hitch. However, any tournament can turn out better than expected if the players take a step off their high horse and come down to earth long enough to see that it takes both players and directors to make a strong tournament happen. I’m sure there are many people that have issues with Phil. You don’t get a name like “King Of Hate” without a history behind it. However, when Phi stepped down, Phil and Josh stepped up. That’s two people among hundreds who took the time out of their lives to ensure that a tradition stayed alive. They are deserving of our respect and appreciation, not our bitching and complaining. There’s a difference between constructive criticism and complaining to get your way. I’ve seen very little of the former and a lot of the latter.
Everyone bring it together and I’m sure we’ll all see that ECC will be just as good if not better than years passed. I have all the faith in the world that Josh and Phil after putting in so much time, effort and money out of their own pocket can pull off a fantastic tournament.
