Dudley Q&A: Let's learn... like Gentlemen!

Mr.X · 2011-07-06T09:17:50.000Z

3rd time getting on AE since release. Have played twice since MvC3 came out before then.

Finally getting the rhythm down for EX Duck Straight after LP JU and EX MGB LK Duck Straight on my weak side (left corner) along with remembering the rhythm for all the links.

How do you stick players do the EX Duck Straight and Upper button wise?

I have my middle and ring finger over MK and HK, index roaming to hit LP/LK.

Shonuff438 · 2011-07-06T12:08:28.000Z

Mr.X:

3rd time getting on AE since release. Have played twice since MvC3 came out before then.

Finally getting the rhythm down for EX Duck Straight after LP JU and EX MGB LK Duck Straight on my weak side (left corner) along with remembering the rhythm for all the links.

How do you stick players do the EX Duck Straight and Upper button wise?

I have my middle and ring finger over MK and HK, index roaming to hit LP/LK.

I like using LK and MK for the EX duck because im usually using LK duck straight after cr HK or EX MGB. After the LK Duck straight I can keep my index finger on LK then just use my Middle finger for the EX duck straight or upper followup. So far using the controller type A setups its worked out for me well but I am considering using the 3 kick macro one button for the ex duck straights or uppers. The way I see it the less finger movement to land the ex duck moves the better.

Planisphaerium · 2011-07-06T19:06:27.000Z

Thirtyfour:

you’re right. he doesnt have a rekka or quick sweep.
He does have EX Duck straight (i explained how it can be safe even though its -5) and Rolling thunder.

That’s not really Dudley’s game tho, the whiff punishing moves on recovery.

Dudley punishes moves during active/start up most of the time by staying inside/outside/near footsy range
Training mode > record Dudley > playback
try s.HK buffer HP/EX MGB
c.MP buffer MP MGB
c.LK buffer EX Duck straight

be a character with normals you want to find the spacing for… for example… Sagat
have Dud on playback … s.HK for example and throw out some of sagat pokes at the right ranges.
see what happens

top level Dudley play (lol doesnt exist yet) is about him getting his opponents to use a little pokes as possible

That makes perfect sense in regards to how to play him. Though whiffing attacks in your opponents face doesn’t sound like the best idea since you’re playing on prediction and not reaction but still I know what you mean and you have to get in one way or another.

I actually wanted to play Dudley because of his ex duck straight move. Unforunately he is like no other character I’ve played, meaning he can’t play footsies like Ryu, Bison, Akuma, Ken, etc. Those combos though! They’re lots of fun. Soooo much damage with no meter.

Anyway, thanks for the tips. I tried ex duck straight - hk to punish heavy normals . He can get in and then fadc but that is expensive and you have to be absolutely spot on. Seems like lp machine gun blow is pretty good. Wait for them to whiff and get in. You are on -2 but you’re at a good distance to harass them and you’re just out of c.lk/lp range.

Thirtyfour · 2011-07-06T19:23:06.000Z

Planisphaerium:

That makes perfect sense in regards to how to play him. Though whiffing attacks in your opponents face doesn’t sound like the best idea since you’re playing on prediction and not reaction but still I know what you mean and you have to get in one way or another.

I actually wanted to play Dudley because of his ex duck straight move. Unforunately he is like no other character I’ve played, meaning he can’t play footsies like Ryu, Bison, Akuma, Ken, etc. Those combos though! They’re lots of fun. Soooo much damage with no meter.

Anyway, thanks for the tips. I tried ex duck straight - hk to punish heavy normals . He can get in and then fadc but that is expensive and you have to be absolutely spot on. Seems like lp machine gun blow is pretty good. Wait for them to whiff and get in. You are on -2 but you’re at a good distance to harass them and you’re just out of c.lk/lp range.

please dont try to punish whiffs with MGB
Start out with just using Fierce, empty duck (to advance) reacting with the buffers.
start strong end strong.

most dudleys on these boards still use random MGB/fierce/jump HK
sooner or later you’ll have blocked LP MGB > backdash/EX Jet upper/jab as you’re only mix up.

Shonuff438 · 2011-07-07T02:04:43.000Z

Thirtyfour:

please dont try to punish whiffs with MGB
Start out with just using Fierce, empty duck (to advance) reacting with the buffers.
start strong end strong.

most dudleys on these boards still use random MGB/fierce/jump HK
sooner or later you’ll have blocked LP MGB > backdash/EX Jet upper/jab as you’re only mix up.

I admit im still one of them… at least as far as the jumping “business elbow” goes… its so good… i love stuffing DPs and reversals with it lol. But ive been working on that no jumping challenge and always buffering.

mowr · 2011-07-07T18:17:35.000Z

I still use MP MGB to advance. Sometimes.

ohthecommotion · 2011-07-07T21:22:59.000Z

So what is my ideal spacing against shotos? I know Dudley has issues playing footsie anyways, but I find myself worrying too much about fireballs and where exactly I want to be on the screen to jump in / duck under if they’re stupid, without eating a reversal.

Playing online does not help this.

Thirtyfour · 2011-07-07T23:24:53.000Z

ohthecommotion:

Playing online does not help this.

Are you on PSN?

srtm · 2011-07-08T03:28:23.000Z

do you guys plink with dudley?
for what situations? I started trying to learn it, but felt that most of dudleys options dont need it really.

Thirtyfour · 2011-07-08T04:03:08.000Z

srtm:

do you guys plink with dudley?
for what situations? I started trying to learn it, but felt that most of dudleys options dont need it really.

ya Dudley only needs to plink HK HP and MP really
all easy on a pad with default controls

srtm · 2011-07-08T04:47:57.000Z

using stick. I still don’t get the purpose. To help link 1 frame combos better?

ohthecommotion · 2011-07-08T06:30:52.000Z

Thirtyfour:

Are you on PSN?

Xbox Live. But typically I get scrubs mashing out reversals while I’m trying to work on stuff.

srtm:

using stick. I still don’t get the purpose. To help link 1 frame combos better?

Yes, plinking helps you hit one-frame links better. Basically, it gives you two frames to hit whatever link you’re trying to do. Just as a point of practice, I’ve been trying to plink s.HK after c.LP, but I find that most of the time once I get into a groove I just hit the link correctly from muscle memory

Thirtyfour · 2011-07-08T08:14:29.000Z

ohthecommotion:

Xbox Live. But typically I get scrubs mashing out reversals while I’m trying to work on stuff.

Playing online helps anyone get better.
Just dont play with shit expecting to learn anything but how to deal with shit.

look for better players and spend time in training mode

Renegade_TX2000 · 2011-07-08T11:25:13.000Z

lol psn dudley=fail but i dunno how I do it sometimes.

Thirtyfour · 2011-07-08T12:02:40.000Z

Renegade_TX2000:

lol psn dudley=fail but i dunno how I do it sometimes.

you dont
free as fuuuuuuark

srtm · 2011-07-08T21:37:18.000Z

ohthecommotion:

Xbox Live. But typically I get scrubs mashing out reversals while I’m trying to work on stuff.

Yes, plinking helps you hit one-frame links better. Basically, it gives you two frames to hit whatever link you’re trying to do. Just as a point of practice, I’ve been trying to plink s.HK after c.LP, but I find that most of the time once I get into a groove I just hit the link correctly from muscle memory

yea I agree. I’ll try plinking HK more I guess, but its more of a timing thing…

ohthecommotion · 2011-07-08T21:39:09.000Z

Thirtyfour:

Playing online helps anyone get better.
Just dont play with shit expecting to learn anything but how to deal with shit.

look for better players and spend time in training mode

I don’t expect to learn good stuff from bad online players, that’s why I play with a group of people offline once or twice a week.

Still haven’t answered my question, though. Any tips for spacing vs. shotos?

Thirtyfour · 2011-07-08T23:42:21.000Z

ohthecommotion:

I don’t expect to learn good stuff from bad online players, that’s why I play with a group of people offline once or twice a week.

Still haven’t answered my question, though. Any tips for spacing vs. shotos?

Then why play vs bad players?
what’s there to space vs shotos?
just walk forward.
fireballs arent a problem
c.MK is so 2010

srtm · 2011-07-09T05:14:36.000Z

ugh is there anyway to disable dudleys flower throw lol. I keep hitting it during combos.
also I can do most of his links now, but the only one that frustrates me is s.hk > ex machine.
can never get it to link when doing it from left to right. Right to left I get it 100% of the time.
Think i’ve hit a psychological barrier that doesnt want me to do it.

Mr.X · 2011-07-09T06:22:14.000Z

You’re hitting 2P too early, hit it later or do hcf and end at upforward.