I didn’t play 3.3 so i don’t understand why people are so fired up about the victory rose.
what’s that about ?
Before everyone gets too carried away with the Victory Rose buff, remember that it’s almkost certainly going to require an untechable knockdown setup. How many ways does Dudley have to do that?
Corkscrew Cross
Rolling Thunder
Rocket Upper
cr.MK
Throw
LV3 Focus Attack
That’s it! Not many ways to do it. Also remember that a throw sends them miles away, so even if you use the rose after you throw them, unless you have them in the corner, you’re not going to be there in time. Also if you do land the Super and then throw the rose for another mixup, you’re not going to have any meter left to max out on the damage from the next mixup.
Still, my gut feeling is that in the corner it will create a true 50/50 setup. The rose may well prevent the opponent from using certain reversals / ultras.
With regards to EX MGB through a fireball… that sounds a little too good! If that means EX MGB has armour, Dhalsim just became free to Dudley!
Also so far we have only heard about buffs to Dudley, but I have feeling there might be a few small nerfs too. I can see the overhead being slowed down a tad, and his damage output toned down a little too. Hope I’m wrong though!
In 3S, most Dudley players used Corkscrew Blow, which stocked three times. Basically, after landing one corkscrew blow, you could throw the rose, and most of the characters then had no choice other than to block / parry high or low. That meant that if you went for a meaty Dart Shot / cr.LK x 2, you had a 50% chance of landing the Corkscrew again.
Take a look at Kokujin’s matches from 3S. The amount of times in the 3rd round that he wins in under 15 seconds is untrue. Dudley with 3 stocks of Cork in 3S is VERY scary.
Wouldn’t his new J.RH count as another important knockdown tactic? If untechable it puts him in the perfect situation.
Yay for useful Rose, Better cr.rh and EX Duck.
Pretty sure you’ll be able to use the rose from all knockdowns if you can confirm techs.
Duck Straight from a Juggle can set up a rose.
Duck Upper in the corner out of a juggle.
Overhead can add untechable knockdown if you land it vs an airborne opponent ( backdashes)
I dont know Dudley looks like he’s going to have a ton of options in the future.
With x HK x2 after a juggle becoming easier players still might want to consider ending with duck upper in the corner because of this possible rose buff.
Match ups come into play too, you’ll probably still be able to mash out DP against it.
Too much hype.
THIS!!! this is why i am stoked about possibly getting dudleys good rose back :3
I was also thinking about this untechable reset set up with rose lvl2-3 fa wait a sec f hk. Then go for rose set up. But then again if you land a crumple why not just go for the full damage? I tend to get fancy risky too much in my matches lol
You’re right, all those may well work. My only fear is that you’ll still be open to Ultra or high priority EX attempts, if the opponent has it stocked. Classic example in 3S is that against Ken, if you went for the Rose, he could EX SRK through it, or even worse, time a trade and then combo super afterwards!
But yeah all in all… HYPE!
Well put it this way; the rose has become possibly the best reversal bait in the game.
Rose infinite plz.
HOLY SHIT
Rose into FULL SCREEN EX MGB
to PUNISH A FIREBALL OMG I AM CUMMING!!!
Dhalsim matchup just became 7-3 Dudley’s Favor
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Even if it does have no recovery on it, EX Ducking will still be to slow to punish the majority of Guile’s Sonic Booms. And I actually didn’t mind Guile building meter, because his EX SBs are easier to punish!
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Haha this. So easy to bait them with focus attacks!
Dudley buffs sound promising. Hopefully we’ll be able to make good use of ex ducking. If Dhalsim jumps and tries throwing limbs he’s a goner now.
Me too. He’s just getting to potentially be really good now. I would of been happy with a cr. mk startup buff and ex ducking while keeping my godly damge and overhead. :’(
lets just hope that dudley slides by with only buffs, everything i really wanted for him is here so hopefully they will just leave dudley alone…
i wanted EX ducking and i got it
what i didnt get was armor =(
Untill we see those buffs in action I wouldnt be too happy about it. I wouldnt mind a damage nerf if that means that they will buff his low pokes so he isnt a character that cant do anything against decent footsies other than hoping for a random knockdown/jump-in to win the match.
im still waiting for some lower body invincibility on ex SSB getting crouch tech light kicked out of it is pretty depressing