Dudley: A Distinguished Thread for Gentlemen Pugilists

Soaphead11 · 2010-03-11T13:41:16.000Z

Kikuichimonji:

I’m telling you, if FADCs decrease damage in combos that’s a new thing for Super that’s not in vanilla SF4. If you don’t believe me, go try doing Ryu’s SRK FADC ultra and come back.

Everyone who mentioned this was CLEARLY talking about Super. You’re living in the past, this is a SSF4 discussion. It goes without saying that people are referring to the new version, not vanilla. I find your high/mightiness pretty amusing though, as if you were educating all the noobs who thought FADC scaled damage in SF4.

MixupMaster · 2010-03-11T13:52:16.000Z

DevilJin_01:

Meh don’t worry about that. As long as Dudley doesn’t have easy mode trade shoryu or shoryu FADC into his shit then who cares. Dudley is going to require a lot of work to make top tier and those are the fighting games I liked. The games where the top tiers could actually be pressured, had holes and required work. They didn’t have silly crutches like invincible moves that are safe on block or combos into Ultra that gave you 10 seconds to set up.

Plus Dudley should have a solid footsie game but I just don’t think it’ll end up being as strong as even Rog’s. Dudley had solid footsies in 3S but he didn’t really have the best footsie game either. He just had a good few solid normals with s.HK, s.HP, c.MP and the occasional perfectly placed c.MK and c.HK. Overall Dudley is going to be more about the close range game like he was in 3S. I have a pretty good feeling Ibuki will have the best footsies of all of the 3S characters. Just like she did in 3S.

once dud gets in its going to be like when abel gets an untechable knockdown but better 0.o

System_1 · 2010-03-11T15:49:51.000Z

Dudley’s juggle into Ultra does not land you 600 damage, like Sagat and Ryu.

DHEvil · 2010-03-11T15:56:18.000Z

If anything, lp DP into ultra is more comparable to headbutt>ultra. It doesn’t really do all that much damage and the lp DP has NO invincibility… just beat it out. It’s going to be all the other shit Dudley has that makes him good, not this.

And yeah, I really don’t see him being anywhere near as good as Sagat was in vanilla.

Parge · 2010-03-11T16:01:54.000Z

Mr Gotch:

Dudley’s juggle into Ultra does not land you 600 damage, like Sagat and Ryu.

Seems fair enough considering how many ways he can land it, I was watching the JWong Dudley vid and even when he did EX-Back-swing Blow FADC Ultra 2 it only looked like it did 500 damage and that’s with the full animation.

System_1 · 2010-03-11T16:04:12.000Z

Yes, if anything it is worse than Headbutt into Ultra because you lose more damage from the juggle than Boxer’s Ultra. Corkscrew Cross actually hits some characters for less hits due to their juggle state animation and variable hitboxes. And the timing is very strict to land maximum damage from the juggle, unlike say Ryu, Sagat or Boxer.

DHEvil · 2010-03-11T16:04:31.000Z

Yeah but that’s 3 stocks and might even be corner only. It’s not any more damaging than MAAAANY corner combos a lot of characters have, and some don’t need as much meter either.

PENETRATOR · 2010-03-11T16:13:39.000Z

i wonder if he can still do those EX Uppercut shenanigans in the corner (juggle with another uppercut after a properly spaced ex uppercut)

tenyardmike · 2010-03-11T16:16:41.000Z

as long as i can still st. HK -> EX machine gun blow

ill be happy

keninblack · 2010-03-11T16:47:58.000Z

While were at this discussion.

His overhead needs to link into Ultra.

Can anyone confirm or deny if you can do anything outside of ultra for EX MGB and C.HK? You know like LP MGB, or F.MK xx uppercut?

humbag · 2010-03-11T22:32:57.000Z

I dont think you can f+mk into upper cause stuff like that doesnt really work in sf4s juggle system.

I have heard from someone who played at GDC that lp mgb works after EX mgb. Then you can probably ultra afterword. I just wonder if you can get multiple lp mgb’s in a juggle combo. That would be pretty neat like in 3s.

Also lp dp->hp dp works. Havent heard about EX dp. I think thats probably just his best reversal. Honestly Dudley’s Ultra does good damage off of juggles. Honestly I think just his damage from normal combos is going to be very high and ultra is just a lil bonus.

Also Dudleys ALT looks awesome: http://img97.imageshack.us/img97/6603/91322092.jpg

DHEvil · 2010-03-11T22:39:40.000Z

humbag:

Also Dudleys ALT looks awesome: http://img97.imageshack.us/img97/6603/91322092.jpg

Is that a f***ing cape on Bison?!!

Alcarion · 2010-03-11T22:43:13.000Z

So Dudley is dressed like his father?

rhymeswithaddy · 2010-03-11T22:53:18.000Z

He looks like a college marching band member.

tenyardmike · 2010-03-11T22:57:28.000Z

Where is that pic from!?

Alcarion · 2010-03-11T23:01:05.000Z

rhymeswithaddy:

He looks like a college marching band member.

I’m pretty sure they went more for this look. http://img214.imageshack.us/img214/1207/dudley.jpg

Or maybe not judging from that second screenshot with his alt…

rhymeswithaddy · 2010-03-11T23:12:04.000Z

Alcarion:

I’m pretty sure they went more for this look. http://img214.imageshack.us/img214/1207/dudley.jpg

Or maybe not judging from that second screenshot with his alt…

Definitely that. Much more dignified. haha.

DevilJin_01 · 2010-03-11T23:13:22.000Z

keninblack:

While were at this discussion.

His overhead needs to link into Ultra.

Can anyone confirm or deny if you can do anything outside of ultra for EX MGB and C.HK? You know like LP MGB, or F.MK xx uppercut?

Dudley will play like 3S Dudley until you launch them in the air basically. Then it’s like playing Dudley in ST/CVS2. :lol:

KimuraLOX · 2010-03-11T23:16:14.000Z

Sgt. Pepper’s Lonely Hearts Club BAAAAND! love his alt!

DHEvil · 2010-03-11T23:17:20.000Z

KimuraLOX:

Sgt. Pepper’s Lonely Hearts Club BAAAAND! love his alt!

That’s what I’m seeing too.