New versions of characters having their own slot
The way they went about this is extremely weak. Transformations would’ve added another layer of depth to specific characters. Casuals may not be able to handle the transformation, but a pro player would. The casual still gets to play regular Goku, but still, has the skill ceiling potential to reach utilizing the ssb transformation correctly.
Seeing regular Goku and ssb Goku on the same team is going to look cheesy/lame.
It would be more hype at a tournament to have situations where you’re in trouble of losing the match: “Oh no, JWong is down to his last character Goku, but Goku has the ability to reach ssb status. If he gains another meter and a half, he might have a fighting chance.” “Oh my god! he has the meter! Let’s go!”
With the characters being ssb forms already, you don’t have to work toward that power. Watch when some pro comes out and makes having a weak assist/low defense a non-issue. “I use ssb Goku on point and don’t need any assistance. I’m also very good at punishing my opponent’s assist calls.” those players will throw this balance statistic system in the trash.
Saitsu
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All of the words, for so much nothing.
Insightful lol thanks for elaborating on it…
There’s nothing to elaborate on.
Keep in mind guys this game is really meant to pull in DBZ/S fans, people who probably dont play fighters generally, so they are going to make characters like Goku rather basic to pull those people in. Goku Blue gives you that higher level of depth with that character for people looking for that, making regular Goku really dense mechanics and tech wise defeats a lot of the point of the game.
Valoon
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They have to please the hardcore DB fans a little bit. I watched some of their videos and they are all about those multiple forms. Like they really want all the gokus and whatnot.
I hope they don’t do any more on top of the blues (at least not in the original roster) but they kinda had to have them.
I’m not sure, but English must not be your primary language. If you would’ve actually read what I wrote instead of jumping to comment, you would’ve seen this: “The casual still gets to play regular Goku, but still, has the skill ceiling potential to reach utilizing the ssb transformation correctly.”
Translation: Transformations = killing two birds with one stone. The characters are easy to get into, but hard to master. Going from the lowest martial art belt to the highest.
The problem now is that the casual that picks ssb versions has to start off with a more challenging character at the start. There’s no low skill floor for them.
No I got what you said, English is my first language, I just disagreed with your point and explained a different perspective. There is still a low skill floor because if they decide SSB is too much for them they can switch to regular SSJ Goku and not have to worry about the higher skill ceiling and leaving potential damage on the table by worrying about something that’s above them anyway. By making Blue so much better as an Install for Goku you invalidate any reason to use the base form at all, on top of making them decide between going for the install or supering. By keeping this separate you eliminate this problem while still offering both types of players what they want, a face for the game that is beginner friendly while also offering a better version for people looking for more. Combining them creates a false dichotomy for what the character is supposed to represent, a beginner friendly entry point and a more advanced option for players who want that. People don’t really want to flip flopping between a highly advanced option and a more shallow beginner friendly option. The parallels when installing as SSB Goku seems to be are too far apart for them to naturally gel together as a single entity.
Least that’s how it seems to me with how they are describing the two Goku’s one entry level and one advanced. By separating them you still keep the low ceiling option, SSJ Goku hasn’t gone away just because the Blue is there now, and you offer a permanent advanced option for players looking for that who don’t esnt to deal with needing to build bar and find a window to play the character they actually want to play. I certainly don’t want to muck about with a “dull” character in order to gain access to the “interesting” character every single time the match starts. If the difference between them is pronounced enough then that is just silly, especially since Installs are usually temporary so the interesting option is the temporary one and I have to keep find the bar to spend and the window to advance up to the interesting mode. That’s annoying. Don’t want to deal with that.
With having transformations, the casual can choose to use it or not. Regular Goku is already complete. All they would be doing is adding to him. Players have to now choose between the two, which makes the extra slot redundant.
The problem with the decided form is that a pro will never pick regular Goku. That’s bad game design.
quicks
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Give goku a blue install, which changes his moves, gives him access to some other stuff and speeds him up.
Causal and hardcore friendly
2ch leaks, take with a mountain of salt:
Leaks are:
[list]
[] Ultimate Gohan
[] Tenshinhan
[] Yamcha
[] Caulifla
[] Kale
[] Videl
[/list]
All I know is, I don’t want an install super for my main point character. Goku seems to be the ryu of the game.
Though ryu did have denjin mode in umvc3 
quicks
3453
You don’t want more tools???
Or just want something simple
Who says so? SS Goku’s assist is good, he has good buttons and good specials. Straight beam Supers as DHCs are never bad in these types of games and his level is really fast. His upkicks can be used to plow through pushblock and leave him air ok after it and he has lots of mix up + pressure potential with the sheer amount of teleports he can pull off when loaded with bar.
ASW wouldn’t ever go as far as invalidating SS Goku once you get good enough SSJB. That’s just ridiculous. They can be different archetypes while sharing some basic stuff.
jblair
3455
LMFAO at “a pro will never pick regular goku”
Also LMFAO at this other fool constantly inventing extensive combos in his head to make claims that the combo system is bad
Yall are PATHETICALLY BORED
Characters are usually balanced around all their tools. I like the way goku looks to play as of now. If he had a level 7 transformation or something, he would probably be balanced very differently. I want his optimized play to be based around strong fundamentals. His 5B and j.B already look like two normals I’m going to enjoy using.
Klives
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Had SSB Goku been an install or a transformation, i would have agreed with the fact that he’d obviously be better than SSJ Goku. But we know now he’s another version with his own slot, so we can’t tell. Who knows what his weaknesses are? Maybe SSJ Goku is more balanced. We need to see his actual gameplay to make a proper comparison.
quicks
3458
I’d rather have 17 or broly , just feels a wasted slot or opportunity
But thinking about what the average dbz fan wants
dhochoy
3459
Fake. It claims Tien as the strongest human.
Everyone knows Krillin is the strongest Earthling.
Valoon
3460
Sounds possibly legit to me, not too crazy.
Costumes are not a thing for XRD style because it’s not worth it for them, but with Bamco money I can see it. And costumes are the best way to put useless clones in the game.
Best examples are the great Seyaman and Majin Vegeta who are really popular but aren’t really worth any slot imo.
