how many of you have heard this online from a message or over voice chat?
recently i played a cammy over ranked with dan(he won)and he told me i failed hard even though i came so close to winning the second round…
i asked him for advice and he said first of all don’t use dan he sux…(and here’s his argument as to why he sucks it’s because he don’t got any good moves or combos and suggested i start with ryu…thinking i was a beginner)
i was even expecting that to come up somewhere in his messages
because everyone online is like lol dan is the worst he’s such a joke!
i get it capcom created dan hibiki as a joke character
we all get it
but no matter what
somebody has to be a jerk and say lol are you stupid?! nobody seriously uses dan if they want to win
I’ve received plenty of hate messages. Though surprisingly, none while using Dan. Win or lose, I’ve always received something along the lines of “Nice Dan.”
Think it’s ironic coming from a Cammy though, Cammy’s not the greatest of characters. Should have told him to use Ryu instead of Cammy. As for no good moves, Dan’s Kouryuken is a solid reversal and is a better DP than Cannon Strike, his j.MK cross-up is better than Cammy’s j.LK cross-up as well.
Dan is all fundamentals. His normals are shoddy but his specials are decent, apart from two in ones he really has no combos. I don’t think this makes him bad, just limited. Dan has good damage output.
If you have good fundamentals and don’t do stupid shit you can win with any character, period.
QFT, I have yet to ever feel completely outclassed soley because of using Dan. There are a few matchups that a pretty tough, but the roster as a whole isnt too bad.
winning with Dan is the best feeling ever. I love beating shoto scrubs and sagats with him it just brings a smile to my face as i taunt a lot. Also for the dan faithful use win quote 7 it goes For a second i thought id lose… Aww who am i kidding? I was sure of it! That is a taunt on its own.
I only get the “Nice Dan” if I lose, never if I win. If I get mail when I win its usually an excuse “I was talking on the phone or my little brother was playing, I was texting etc etc” or Hate mail that I am in some manner cheap “Try winning without doing (insert throw, danku, focus attack, dashing yada yada here), I guarantee I will win etc etc” so you want me to play you hindering “the worst character” in the game further by removing an attack that was succesful against you from my arsenal?
The excuses and crying of cheapness never cease to amaze me. I dont know where you guys find these players with good sportsmanship. The same people that say nice dan when i lose would be the same people that would be ready to pull a drive by on my place because I won.
Worse than any of that, is when I get players that wont play me seriously because im using Dan (because they dont want to lose to him “seriously”). Im all for a taunt session to open up a match, but when you do nothing but stand in one spot jabbing and taunting the whole game making it blatantly obvious your not playing for real, your doing everybody a disservice.
I’ve gotten compliments when winning but I usually have to extend the olive branch first regardless. Generally it’s either nice things or nothing at all
Got my Hakan beat by a Dan once, wasn’t overly impressed by him but being a fellow Dan player I dropped him a “nice Dan ;)” out of courtesy, didn’t get a reply back
Sometimes I get the “luvmail” after handing out what could be termed embarassing victories. Like yesterday, playing against a Cody, he had a good handle on me for the first while, and I had to fight back in the second round with a sliver of health left to take him down from half his. Then in the third round, having picked up his tendencies, I went all out Saikyo rushdown, trapped him in the corner, and dizzied him on the way to a Legendary Taunt finish, which would’ve been a Legendary Taunt Perfect finish had I not traded with one hit of a Criminal Upper while delivering the blow that dizzied him. He sent me a “LOL GG” message afterwards.
Maybe it has to do with points? I imagine people can more easily justify losing a game to a 14000+ BP Dan than they can someone with less. Not that Dan should be an “excuse” for winning or losing, of course. I just know a lot of other people still think in that outdated fashion.
I feel silly asking for this but… is there a list of “fundamentals” that should be learned somewhere? As someone who is new to the competitive fighting scene it would be nice to know what they really are. I get told a lot that I need to work on my fundamentals and my response is usually “Okay… like what?” and they just laugh.
Execution. You need to be able to do what you need to do when you need to do it. Playing comfortably instead of worrying whether or not you’re inputting things properly will free your attention to contemplate other, more important things.
BnBs. The combos you need to know. These are the most efficient combos for their respective situations. Punish combos, combos from your fastest normals, aerial combos, max range combos, crossup combos, combos that reset your opponent. Every character has them. Memorizing where and when to use them, and how to do them, will maximize your damage with every opportunity.
Spacing. Very hard to master, but it gets consistently better over time. This is all about keeping yourself in your most optimal range possible. There’s nothing complicated about it, but it’s not easy to do. It gets better as your fundamentals get better.
Mixups. You do something, and the opponent learns to counter it. You’ve got to know what move or sequence of moves you have at your disposal to counter his counter, and apply it. You also need the judgement to know if this is necessary, as a lot of bad players eat LK.Danku on wakeup 10x in a row, or try to mash Shoryuken at every opportunity. If that’s the case:
Baiting. Learn to cheese your opponent into doing something unsafe. Bad players do unsafe things all the time, and you can let them trip over their own feet instead of trying to break open their non-existent defense that consists mostly of mashing buttons. Good players will only do something unsafe if they think they’ll get away with it, usually in a situation where they’re trying to counter you in some way. You can also bait and punish seemingly safe moves preemptively. If Rufus has 3 EX bars and has been succumbing to LK.Danku pressure, he may bust out a phat EX Messiah Kick with the intent to Focus Cancel it on block in case it doesn’t connect, or Focus Cancel > Ultra if it does. You can preemptively jump back as he gets up and tag him with j.HK in the middle of EX Messiah instead. This is a bait.
That’s just a few things. They’re not exclusive to SFIV. ?_?
Spacing, could probably be separated into Zoning and Footsies. Zoning is basically controlling space, not really something Dan can do very well but it’s what Ryu and Dhalsim generally excel at. To this day I still don’t really know what footsies are exactly, basically I think it’s your close range game concentrating mostly on normals but I think there’s a little of feinting involved and such but don’t quote me on that
Footsies are what happens when there’s two good players facing each other, and each knows that the other will anti-air any jumpins without fail. Example: Any Daigo match. As a result, the two players wind up staying grounded, moving back and forth occasionally throwing out a poke (normal attack) to try to catch their opponent off-guard, and trying to predict when the other player will poke to either catch him in the act for a counterhit or just block it. Those are footsies. Players like us usually don’t have to worry too much about them, because we don’t have flawless anti-airs and we don’t face players who do have flawless anti-airs, so we can use jump-ins and Dankus and other tools like that to get in close where footsies don’t matter.
