It’s all good mang. :smokin:
I’m “good” at st. absolutely shit at 3s
safejumping and frametraps are hella essential in st. it just doesn’t work the same way.
Option selects too but depends on the character.
I found years of st/cvs2/3s/mvc2 aka the old games, skills defintely transfer over… the execution on the games now are pretty easy.
st taught me not to jump and helped my execution by learning how to combo supers
cvs2 taught patience, execution w/ the roll cancels and ccs, patience w/ agroove vs. kgroove
3s is mind games galore
mvc2 taught me to block
tool set needs to be mentioned. A simple game requires a small tool set because there isn’t much going on. A hard game requires a bigger tool set because there is more going on.
If you take a person who’s only played sf4, it would be very hard for them to learn mvc2. There are so many new things to learn. If you take a mvc2 player and put them in sf4, the only thing they need to learn is the engine\matchups.
the mvc2 player is taking away pieces away from his tool set where as the sf4 player has to learn new tools. Its 100x easier to take away tools than it is to learn new ones. Its pretty much the main reason you see justin do pretty well in everything.
if you’re good @ the hardest games around, chances are you could play anything well given enough time. If you’re good @ simple games, the harder games will definitely shit all over you because you’re adding pieces to your game you’ve never practiced before. An mvc2 player could block pretty well in sf4, hld dwn bck 99% of the time and react to overheads. Go ask a player who’s only played sf4 to go play mvc2 and their defense is straight trash.
I see this all the time on GGPO. Lots of new people have began to pick up vampire savior and its pretty easy to see who’s a SF player and who’s a fast 2d fighter player because of their tool sets. The SF players always sit, never move away from dwnbck, can’t push block @ all and complain about hi\lo patterns… The faster 2d players on their first day almost immediately understand whats going on and start to do well that same day.
they’re not essential at low (by which i mean ‘bad but still trying to do the right things’) level play like they are in SF4. in SF4 you’re going to eat DP reversals all day if you dont safejump, and will have difficulty ever landing a hit or throw on someone who can do the basic OS tech without frametraps. that’s just not true in ST.
This is the only post on this site I have ever clicked on the ‘like’ button for. In fact, I’m quoting the whole damn thing since it’s incredibly true.
I agree 100% with your first sentence, but disagree with the second. I think it would be possible to do pretty well if you played a character at a high level that other players aren’t used to playing against. I’ve seen Pierrot really take the piss out of some really good players because they don’t expect some of the things he does. Maining a low tier character (I’m a Remy player myself, but started with Ken) is harder work but it’s more fun because the possibilities of those characters haven’t been as fleshed out. But I love Third Strike, so to me it’s not work, and some of those things transfer over to SF4 (I’m a Guile player) for me too. I can see how a player like Wong, who I assume doesn’t care as much about the game and just wants to be as good as he can be without having to put in immense amounts of time would prefer just to pick a high tier character and use the basics he already learned in other games.
With that said, I feel like playing Guilty Gear makes me better at other games because I get used to the hand dexterity GG requires. After that, playing SF4 makes it seem like you have an eternity to do your moves. I’ve been going through a SF4 slump lately and I’m starting to think it’s because I haven’t been playing much Guilty lately. 
If I replaced 3S Remy with MVC2 Roll will you answer still be the same? Think about it…
The analogy would have made more sense if you started out with MVC2 Roll in the first place.
Depends what you mean by “good”. The fundamentals of fighting games should definitely transfer over, even if you’re going from like, Melty Blood to SF2. These fundamentals will help guide you when it comes to knowing what things you should be focussing on when learning a new game.
That said, I’ve been really puzzled by some people I’ve met, that claimed to be say, one of the top US Melty Blood or whatever players and then proceeding to mash buttons at all times while trying to learn a new game (say, Kof), as if playing blindfolded. All this leads me to believe is that this player cannot possibly t be a top player in whatever game he claimed to be and that he was probably bluffing…it’s as if he’s starting from a completely blank board every new game he tries to learn.
Fundamentals carry over, and that’s all you need in the long run.
Above all of that, people who are successful in some sort of competitive activity, aside from their accumulated skills, also have some sort of natural advantage, like reflexes, quick thinking, a knack for strategic judgement, etc.
And above even that, people who are successful in almost anything often have certain personality traits, a certain motivation, singlemindedness, love of what they do, ruthlessness, etc.
So it’s no surprise that people who are good at a FG will be good at other FGs, or possibly even good at other genres of games.
I’m Commander Shepard, and this is my favorite post on SRK.
I’m learning this the hard way, and actually I have been learning it the hard way for a while now. The only game I’ve invested time and practice hours into has been the SFIV series, and anytime I try to play Marvel (2 or 3) or 3S I’m like “…WTF am I doing wrong why can’tIblockHowIsHeRIGHTINMYFACEHI-LOMIXUPok I died.”
That said, playing any of those games then going to AE again, I’m amazed at how well I do just because my reactions and ability to read my opponent have improved (even from losing so hard, lol).
i jsut dont get why online that the people i play in street fighter and mk completely suckat least 40% of the time(and thats coming from a newb hehe) but playing mvc3 its like 90% of the players are tournament players all informed perfect team builds and junk hehe