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Watching Idris Elbaâs Fighter documentary. Much respect :karate:
I donât know if you guys are familiar with Master Ken, but he has one heck of a show, mocking martial arts.
I havenât laughed so hard in a very long time. Also, worth checking his bullshit series - if you want to know why muay thai is bullshit B)
Calling muay thai bullshit
Then you practice no contact karate
Also calls boxing bullshit
You need a good jab jab cross and one liver blow
this guy doesnt know shit lol. he backtracked like 5 times within 5 min.
Thatâs a parody mate, heâs making fun of everything. You need to lighten up.
So, how do you guys deal with muscle soreness ? We did some intense kicking training and I exagerated a bit with some difficult kicks. Now my glutes are hurting when I do certain moves. I donât think itâs something bad, but I want to avoid injury.
Is it better to stop training entirely until you feel no pain, continue training, or do only some light exercises ? (like static streches) ?
Have you never worked out in your life?
Youâre sore because youâre not used to the workload. Wait a couple of days till the soreness dulls (not till it goes away) and train again.
I might have used a wrong word (Iâm not an english speaker). Not sure if it actually is muscle soreness (I believe it is also called muscle fever). I was a bit tired from the last training, and I tried to do a back round kick and I felt a pain in the left glutes.
I donât know, I guess overextended the muscle, now I feel a bit of pain when doing certain moves. I donât think is muscle fever, I experienced that when I started karate.
What you are feeling is most likely the DOMS. Delayed Onset Of Muscle Soreness. Its basically a build up of Lactic Acid inside the muscles. The best way to get rid of it is to stretch with long sustained movements. For instance holding the splits. Donât bounce up and down. Just go as low as you can and hold it for a count of thirty seconds. Then stand back up and shake it off. Then repeat. do this for a few minutes and it will loosen up the muscles, and you will probably be surprised how much lower you will be able to go.
Then continue to just train the way you do. But drop the work load. So do fewer kicks and with less power, use this time to really focus on your form.
As the pain wears away you can start upping the work load. IF you are taking your combat training seriously then this is something you will encounter a lot. When I was going all out training to compete in Muay Thai, there would be months at a time when my body never felt 100%. When the pain was to bad we would slow down. When it was just mildly uncomfortable we would pick it back up again. You will learn to love it. Itâs one of my fave feelings. Like a big yawn and a morning stretch, except it lasts for days at a time.
Another thing to keep in mind is that on a simple level our bodies use ATP for energy. And we only have a limited amount. Like literally a few minutes worth. When we use it all up we produce Lactic Acid. The LA needs to travel through the body dropping different molecules in different places. One of which is Hydrogen I believe, direct into our muscle cells. And thatâs what hurts. The way we break down H is with Oxygen in our blood stream. So a good way to reduce the pain is to exercise a little to wake up the body and then do cool down exercises and breath deep and long. This is what the stretching I recommended is for. And always do this after training as well.
Hope that helps.
If you are feeling the pain in the muscles then its nothing to worry about, follow my post above. And just keep training. The only time you need to worry is when you tear the muscle, which you will know all about and you would take your self to a DR. Or when you have pain in the joints. If you tear a muscle you wonât be walking so you cant train. And when you hurt a joint you will know it isnât the muscle and you can stay off of it for a while.
Thanks man, I will try what you said. Iâm only training for 3 months so Iâm quite new to this. I was a bit afraid of tearing the muscle, good to know itâs not the case.
Youâre not listening to what heâs saying. All martial arts even jiu jutsu had to change in order to compensate for the truth and even then most of its movements arenât fool proof.
He sounded like he was backtracking because he didnât want to upset his friend the guy who was speaking on the right. The core msg is still there
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So much of this. Since this is your first time training, you will soon realize this is the life of someone who is training hard. At first its hard to do a few days, then it kills to do like 3 hard sessions, 4, then if you get real serious and youâre training like 6 days a week your body is dying but you eventually learn to love the pain. And your body gets used to it. Me and my friends have a saying which is basically, if youâre training hard, youâre never 100 percent and its true.
You just gotta maximize how you feel and take care of your body as best you can.
Iâve trained about 2 years of Tae Kwon Do around 2002, then switched over to kung fu and stayed there for about ten years until I called for quits. The style I learned was a hou quan (monkey boxing) derivative, but rare in the world wide sense. I learned a fraction of the low monkey system, bit of yellow monkey, a bit of monkey claw and of course, short sticks and wooden staff. Tried to stay away of anything sharp, 'cause thatâs just asking for getting cuts 
The style included a massive amount of hardening exercises for a large number of body parts, and went for quite traditional sparring. Typical training time among the worst times were about 20 hours per week on top of my normal work, so four hours per normal week days plus eight hours of normal day work. Broke my metacarpalis bone once while sparring, it nearly was an open fracture :), but still, my goof is my goof. Mostly it was just bruises and I probably was one of the more bone-headed ones.
Regarding the pain, be careful. Thereâs a point where youâre doing too much for your body to recover, and that usually starts with the feeling âI donât really want to trainâ, but thatâs easy to ignore if you are anything like me. The more worrifying stuff is when you stay awake at night when you body doesnât cool. The over stressed region does not cool down as fast as your normal body. You may also encounter muscle soreness there, but itâs more like sharp momentary thing. If you keep ignoring this like I did, then the next thing what will happen is that youâll start to get exhausted way more easily. Itâs embarrassing to get exhausted climbing one set of stairs believe me. Finally, youâll start to wake up when your body suddenly jolts and curls you to the uterus sleeping position. Not fun at all at that point. It took me about one year to recover from this condition, and youâll likely need to do it with a physician who is specialized to sport related issues. Nowadays I practise maximum up to 12 hours a week, but I switched over to wall climbing, breakdancing (getting close to 20 years of doing that and still counting), running and cross-country skiing to diversify things. Nowadays I find it very difficult to keep doing more than 10-12 hours of exhausting training per week. If you go for more hours, youâll need to do it at lower heart rates. Specifically breakdancing is getting more straining.
I actually donât think the style I practised was a bad one, I actually would probably still be training it if I trusted the teachers in this country. I have nothing but good words of the Asian masters, though.
Best WTFs over the time:
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[] Witnessing No-Shadow Kicks. Chun Liâs lightning legs are actually pretty close to what it looks like. The person doing that was at his 60s. Think seeing person in standing position and the next moment his leg is extended, without you seeing any frames between. I saw fast kicks during TKD, but this was more like instant instead of fast.
[] Me going against three people at street, and surviving with a black eye. The incident was because I was helping a person escape a beat down.
[] Surprising grappling people with unorthodox techniques while sparring. Finger strangulation techniques seemed quite effective when they were expecting hands or arms. Another memorable reversal was against a standing rear naked choke, which ended in opponent getting a lock in his neckâŚ
[] Getting your arms and legs bruised so that the forearms and shins (including calves) had no healthy looking skin. Painful as hell, but fun times when you think about it later The style included traditional medical stuff that helped the recovery, so instead of being blue, my arms and legs always were red. Still could not land a jump without those areas hurting
[] A person from my country bending a wooden staff that was put horizontally against his larynx and wall. Thatâs solely by breathing and leaning on it.
[] The countless hours spent on punching that bag filled with rounded marble rock with various body parts. Words cannot express the initial pain, sweat and the slow realization that hey, this might actually be working!
[] The WTF effect of your teacher walking around and slapping a stone continuously for two hours during the training session.
[] Getting your spine facet or knee cap grabbed by somebody good at eagle claw. Very few things beat that feeling (âOh Crapâ). You stay still, listen very carefully and follow to the letter what the guy says next
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In the end, there are probably worse ways of spending ten years of your life =)
Bullshido
I donât understand calling muay thai or bjj or wrestling "weak l because you train under a ruleset
All while you train in no contact karate
All while you state you have never done any physical a tivity and are so afraid of injury
Yet you say boxing is a weak fighting style that anybody can master
Please go into a gym and please challenge people with your shitty kyahs and your no power and your lack of stamina
Please challenge a high school wrestler
Your ass is probably as good a fighter as katt williams
I donât even know what your talking about at this point, you are making things up. Maybe you should take a break from wrestling, seems like being slammed to the ground all the time is taking itâs toll.
Also, for someone who claims was training all his life, your lack of respect for other martial arts is appaling. You been constantly bullying anybody who doesnât do what your doing. Guys like you are one reason Iâm not getting close to any boxing/wrestling/mma or other western style gyms. I preffer to learn something that, besides the physical aspect, also teaches you respect, discipline and humbleness.
Btw, both Lyoto Machida and Vitor Belfort are Shotokan Karate fighters. Last time I heard, they were pretty decent in UFC.
Last i heard you a bitch
Bwahahaha
Like seriously as somebody who has done martial arts most of my life
Nothing is harder to learn than boxing
Humbleness is learned by getting your ass kicked. Which i am an expert at, my ribs and my jaw tell a story.
But it just sounds like you are somebody who would quit in the face of adversity
The disrespect you show for boxing is tremendous. Also vitor has really good boxing. Machida also has very good boxing, his problem is age and wear and tear. His balance from sumo has helped him. GSP was a pure karate guy until he got ruined by matt hughes. Then he hit the mat.
But hey live in a fantasy world where i am bullying you.
I did tkd with a guy who was korean military and very strict. If i as a kid could suck it up, how are you as an adult so soft.
Like may as well call you 2-ply
Sure, Vitor and Machida do other martial arts, too - there are very few âpure fightersâ nowadays in ufc. They usually mix martial arts (itâs why is called mma). This doesnât change the fact that both practice shotokan karate and it shows.
As for boxing - I expressed my oppinion, thatâs all - and I accept I might be wrong. I have no disrespect for boxing, on the contrary, but my statement regarding how easy is to learn was based on 2 things:
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quantity: how many tecniques you learn. Boxing only relies on punches, so naturally has less techniues than a martial art that also uses kicks, knees, elbows, etc. This is a list of shotokan techniques: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_shotokan_techniques
And Shotokan is considered one of the more basic âmartial artsâ -
quality: learning a kick is more difficult than learning a punch.
That being said, I never said anything about how difficult is to master boxing. Learning and mastering are 2 different things. I was just reffering how easy it is to become decent, to get down the basics.
As for what am I practicing - it just happened I found a karate gym I like and I stuck to it. Why is so difficult to understand that I like training in shotokan karate ?