Do YOU do any Martial Arts?

Meh, just because there is a few outliers doesn’t mean is a particularly good tool. Anything with proper entry and application can be successful but that doesn’t make it overly practical. I dunno, I was just never fond of it and I’m bias.

Axe kicks to a guy on his ass need to comeback

Only gsp was doing this. It is basically the legal stomp.

An axe kick is a kick you set up with a feint you set up a push but come down
Brutal to be sure. But you got to be fast and flexible

RIP Andy Hug

That was my thought, too. Andy was a major proponent of axe kicks, and he used them a lot. One of the best fighters ever. Plus, axe kicks look so cool. But you do need a ton of flexibility, I hope one day to be able to perform them.

The best way to get the flexibility is dynamic stretching through things like straight leg raises and crescent kicks.

Static stretching can play a part, but all you’re looking for is the fast twitch muscles in your thighs, hamstrings and glutes.

The power comes later when you learn to explode with your glutes and swing the leg down as fast as it went up.

The more you train the movement, and the higher you try to go, the easier it will get.

Stop doing no contact karate, do full contact tkd and kickboxing

My whole life I’ve never practiced any sport, let alone contact ones. I think for a begginner point based karate is good enough. Once I’m getting used, I might go for something “harder”.

This is useful info, especially since I’m trying to increase my flexibility. I’m training to be able to perform the split - these are the stretching exercises I’m doing right now: http://www.wikihow.com/Do-Center-Splits

You think dynamic stretching is better ? I’m not familiar with all these terms…

There is beginner kickboxing

No contact sparring is the worst for actual combat

You will be wrecked no matter how loud you

“Kyaaaaah!”

That’s bullshit, no contact sparring teaches control focus and accuracy.

Wonderboy and McGregor had there start with this stuff, they seem to be doing alright.

Wonderboy and mcgregor started there as kids

Point karate is different from no contact karate.

No contact literally means the sparring is situational and he says he pulls his punches last minute

Point karate sparring is like fencing.

You work your in and out movement. This is why gsp could weave in and out

mcgregor and wonderboy started on two different ends though on the point sprarring scale. wonderboy has been a sport karate kid…our point sparring is different than tkd style poijnt sparring which is from what i can tell where conor came from

Conor’s TKD is ITF, which is a semi-contact continuous sport, much like WAKO-style kickboxing.

Sport Karate is point-stop, and the scoring is different.

Last I checked, Conor started in kickboxing, not TKD.

I don’t think static stretching is very helpful.
Static stretching is when you maintain a position for more than a moment. Static stretching makes you better at static stretching. It helps a little bit with dynamic stretching.
http://web.mit.edu/tkd/stretch/stretching_4.html

Also, static passive stretching has not been shown to be beneficial to athletes, other than it “makes them feel good” or it fits their routine. There is some evidence static stretching may provide benefits to your cardio vascular system, but it’s only a hypothesis and it doesn’t have strong evidence.

What you’re probably doing is named “static passive stretching” and that is the least useful because it doesn’t build up muscles.

You need to be able to lift your leg up. You need to be able to balance your body. This requires the strong muscles trained to handle such motions.

I think Simon gives mostly solid exercises for building up the muscles required and I think it fits with your preferred training method. The underlying result of all his exercises, even the weird ones, is stronger muscles. I do similar exercises at home when I feel like training kicks.

Some are examples of static active stretching, e.g. doing the motion very slowly. Some are quicker and examples of dynamic stretching.

Static stretching will help your overall flexibility, but should be done at the end of a session as a cool down.

If you static stretch right before you workout, yes, you’ll absolutely see less results.

Not asking to be a dick, but just curious, what would yoga constitute as?
Because that seems to be static stretching but clearly people who practice yoga often get strong results.

Ok, I will take notice and not do any static stretches before a training session. I used to do a bit of stretching before sensei arrives.

I want to achieve better flexibility, so I’m able to kick higher. For now I’m focusing on mawashi geri/ yoko geri. I’m doing static stretches at home, but I will try to incorporate some dynamic ones, too, thanks for the tips.

As for my dojo, I’m doing Shotokan Karate. Not sure if it is point based/ light contact. Sensei told us to be carefull not to injure each other. We never touch the head (we stop before), but we do touch the body and even put some force into strikes, but never full power.

I really like shotokan karate, it is a down to earth style, with practical techniques. Maybe later I would liek to do some traditional Ju Jitsu (the japanese one). I like to learn some standing wrist/joint locks, they seem very usefull in certain situation when somebody tries to grab you.

Japanese Jiu Jitsu is a dated style. The only places teaching that are legit only in japan.

Honestly if you want to learn standing submissions just do judo or submission wrestling. Catch has so many facets and knowing how to establish a double wristlock or front headlock guillotine choke.

You seem to want to learn “traditional japanese” stuff. Just seek out a good judo club, nothing is more japanese than randori with newaZa

Again here in soCal we do a lot of cross training

My god now you are talking about protecting yourself against people trying to grab you. Dude this is not a double dragon world you are not sexy enough to be raped.

Those “wrist/joint” locks are almost certainly not useful.

Aikido and traditional Jiu Jitsu might look cool, but they don’t practice most of their techniques on resisting opponents.

Some techniques do have real world applications, often rooted in weapons and wars fought before guns, but they aren’t practiced against an active opponent and so leave students with techniques that are nearly useless in a fight. They only have a small picture of how to apply the wrist lock on a willing partner who lets you do it.

BJJ, Judo, and anything that generally falls under submission grappling/wrestling will teach you techniques that actually work because you must train against actively resisting opponents. You can try the wrist lock, but those rarely work on a real opponent. If you happen to find one that works, you’ll know you practiced it on a resisting training partner and so if the situation arises, it will be fleshed out, practical, applicable, and more importantly, you’ll be adaptable for the subtleties of dealing with someone who doesn’t want you to apply the technique.

Every class will contain free flowing practice against a resisting opponent. They are going to stop you and they are going to pin/submit/throw you if you let them. Bad techniques are thrown out quickly. It’s an efficient practice method.

It’s also fairly easy to go at 75%, but still gain valuable practice and knowledge, as well as a good workout. The practice is safe and repeatable. This is something I must stress. Safety, as in, assholes and egos are quickly weeded out, you don’t get head trauma from getting kicked, and those people applying a submission are ready, and even offer, “ready to tap out?” well in advance of any possible harm.

That is something I think you’re worried about.

Circling back, some of those wrist/joint locks you’ve seen are real and can work if practiced in a setting that allows your training partners to fight back safely.

I think yoga is definitely static active stretching. It takes muscles, a bit of stamina, and subtle body manipulation to be able to do yoga. I consider it a fairly light workout that often has subtle and meaningful results. Many positions are barely even stretching anything.

To be fair, we really didn’t learn a ton of standing submissions at my Judo club. Basically all of our submissions were learned during NeWaza.

That particular instructor teaches Judo to the Canadian Police and he said standing submissions weren’t useful self defense techniques which is, technically is the traditional reason for learning Judo.

I would also suggest you try to find a Japanese Judo club that focuses on both the traditional type of Judo while at the same time offering the sport Judo that most crossover clubs offer.