They still do K-1 World or w.e its called don’t they? I see it on fight network all the time ahahahah. I also have a friend who is a Muay Thai champ here in Canada and he’s starting to be invited into their circuit but maybe its something else.
theres probably some baby league but as a whole its gone. no grand prixs no k1 max except in japan only.
Back in 07’ I fought 5-6 guys. And when I had the lead shit talker on the ground, one of his buddy’s bashed me over the head with a skateboard. I immediately got up, fended against him and then as he ran off I continued to get the “leader” into a head lock to subdue, more like wanting to collapse his throat in.
My point in this, it still ended on the ground. I know not all situations are like that. But besides my last fight, most have all finished by not exchanging blows while standing. Like I said, if your strength in combat is striking and you are in a situation where its in your favor, then fine. But you better damn well know how to get out/protect yourself if you get taken down.
Edit: before anyone tries to call me out saying this post is bullshit. These guys were drunk, I wasnt. 8 months prior I was coming back from my deployment and was in pretty good shape. except mentally, had anger issues with violent tendencies and mild ptsd. I weighed close to 170lbs when I was 140 soaking wet before joining active duty, and these guys were more out of shape than I was. One last thing, I wasn’t some bad ass street brawler or anything like that, I’ve had my share of getting my ass kicked, but guess what, those were lost while on the ground, which taught me how to deal with some of it later on. The whole point is, in street fighting, rarely anything goes ideally your way, and its never fair. When I read someone post in gd about someone in this thread believing in inner ki or some mythical dbz shit I got curious and checked this thread out. But as I’m reading these last pages, it was a discussion about this street fighting bullshit. So I decided to chime in as most of my fights were outside a school/dojo/sporting event.
Go ahead and still say I’m making shit up or what ever else. I’m not trying to earn cool points or impress anyone on here, just giving my two cents on what I’ve went through in relation to the discussion of if only one form or the other is a fail proof way of succeeding in a fucking stupid street fight.
Some of these things remind me of posts I’ve read on Sherdog in a thread about Kung Fu and how dangerous it is.
Not even sure how many of these niggas were trolling.
You don’t want to end up on the ground, that’s just plain common sense. I wish I had learnt wrestling or a ground based art prior a striking art in hindsight, it is the rawest form of combat, it’s the first thing you learn as a kid beating up your brother lol, it’s natural.
“Kung Fu” is a stupid term anyway. Take each system by its own merit (or lack thereof) - but there’s way too many systems to do that, so they just lump all the shit together.
Yup. I hate grappling, but it’s probably going to happen.
I love grappling
I remember as a kid our tkd guy was a korean military guy and also a sheriff deputy. So he would teach us tactics like tosses, trips, wrist locks, and positional.
We also did situationals.
It was fun.
Also becauase of my wrestling fandom of the steiner bros i wanted to learn how to suplex. So i did freestyle wrestling from 5th grade up to 9th grads. My mom made me quit when i got ko’d via german suplex.
I got fat, then at 25 started with bjj, then catch, then wrestling, then muay thai. Muay thai has excellent trips and sweeps.
All i learned was i love boxing, tkd, and muay thai. But grappling has this always improving and it moves with how you choose to roll.
I know in muay thai and boxing you get the same feeling. But with grappling you go for it. You try to make the guy tap, you scramble, you maintain positions. There are a million things firing off.
With striking you keep your guard, set up a strike, and keep going. Footwork with standup is the most important thing. Hell footwork for grappling is just as important.
What i am saying is gsp a karateka who did standup his whole life trained in grappling and became one of if not the best wrestlers at ww. His last 2 fights he ate way too many shots, but he abandoned his usually tepid grapple/jab heavy style.
You get good at grappling it enhances other parts of your game like improvising and taking notice of an opportunity you wouldn’t think was there
That’s why i can roll with a guy who fights in glory and piss him off because he can’t do anything. Then we go to mma sparring and he kicks me and i always go for the takedown. And he can spin out. Maybe he can sprawl, but once you are down it is my world.
But in just muay thai he owns everybody because you are stuck with those rules.
I get it people think you can just bite and gouge your way out of an armbar, but now all that will do is piss me off so i break your arm
some of you are getting way too fucking excited. I didn’t say striking was better than grappling I said striking is just as important as grappling because there are situations where grappling will not only not work but it would put you in a worse situation, just like learning only striking and ending up on the floor
Standing > Ground in a street fight is so retardedly obvious I’m curious how many times some of you guys have been hit in the head. you don’t practice BJJ on fucking concrete, you don’t practice wrestling on concrete, you don’t practice grappling with solid walls surrounding you and random objects around. in order to control someone in a street environment you need to know how to maintain a solid standing position, whether you fall or not you need to end that fight standing
I agree. I hear a lot of arguments about how UFC is proving the superiority of grappling. I think this is at best a flawed argument, since ufc is generally favouring grappling.
As Ki Shima pointed out, there is a huge difference between grappling on a soft mat (the ring) and grappling in the street, on asphalt, esp since broken glasses or tin cans could be laying around. I’m not sure if going for a double leg takedown in the street is a wise choice.
Second, in ufc you have a cage or a ring = closed space that is limiting the movement, therefore favouring the fighter who is trying to get in close. And third, in ufc there are no hits to the back head or spine, and no kicks/knee to the head once a knee touches the floor.
Just watch Mark Hunt vs Lesnar, and check R1 2:31, R2 0:40, R3 4:27 - see how Lesnar is keeping Marks’s waist and just standing there safe, until he is able to throw him down. This is happening only because Mark cannot hit Lesnar in the back of his head or in his spine. It is highly impractical in the street.
Also, Yagami made a good point - how often will you fight Gracie or Shamrock in the street ? or even a good wrestle/bjj practitioner/ Muay thai fighter, etc ?
Just saying "my martial art beats yours is fairly pointless, since it’s unlikely you will fight against another MA practitioner in the street. The most probable opponents you will meet are regular street thugs, drunkards, thiefs, rapists, etc with little to no MA practice. Against these fellas throwing a powerful punch/kick seems better to me than trying to go for a takedown.
Finally, in a fight there are more important factors than what MA you practice. Experience, amount of practice, power, reach, and luck. Could Lesnar beat me in a street fight ? most likely. But this is much less because of his wrestling background and more so because he has way more experience than me (and his superior size).
Bro, I want to watch your fights. You seem super knowledgeable so I want to study some of your technique. Can you please link some of your fights?
I don’t have fights recorded I do K1 rule fights for fun. my main focus is self defence but we’re trained by people who have multiple european titles in thai boxing, Bjj, karate, kali stick fighting. our main focus is the rhythm of movement and the psychological reality of street fighting. we have top fighters in multiple fields because we’re a direct link to Dan Inosanto
Reading some of these posts, how many people have actually seen a real fight where anything goes?
Grappling like in UFC is not real self defense and like some already have mentioned, on the street level, a large gap in speed/awareness/reaction/strength/intelligence will decide the outcome more than style.
The only times from my experience when BJJ/Judo/Grappling was useful was when some drunk dumbass needed to be disabled, however, I don’t consider this a real fight.
A real fight experience is for example when you are walking home at night and some dude will come up behind you and usually try to strike your head or choke you out if he doesn’t want to get arrested for murder, then steal your stuff and run off.
Example:
Consider a real fight to be basically a hood environment in this case: concrete pavement everywhere, houses are wall to wall so there’s no where to turn/run mid-block aside from staying on the street/sidewalk, no remote objects usually such as a rock/pipe/stick/etc, especially after the recent migration to LED lighting the streets are very dark with limited visibility, will add more if it comes to mind.
The most important thing first, off the top of my head so I might leave something out, would be detecting threats. An experienced thug will never let you see his face directly and will wait for potential victims to pass by, watching out for those that look weak, walk fast, look like they are nervous or lack confidence, etc. Having peripheral vision without turning your head and still seeing both sidewalks of a street is critical. Other things include learning to use shadows from multiple light sources to be able to judge distance/location, good hearing, etc. Walking on streets with businesses provides benefits since they have, usually, decent lighting, more cameras, businesses with glass walls at night have good reflection to extend your visual range, are usually not empty so thugs are less likely to do something however that video attack I referenced earlier was on a big non-empty street. A good number of thugs do things alone out of fear of being snitched on. A trick to use if you think someone is stalking you from a distance is using your phone, but you need to practice in front of a mirror to learn how to hold it so the camera can see what’s behind you but someone behind you can’t see the screen (also tape over the record light). This serves two purposes. First is detection. Second, if you see someone potentially suspicious, you have your phone ready to call cops or 911 in worst case scenario.
For those operating in a two man team, you will have usually two cases.
- Both approach you to stop you. One person would then distract you while the other gets out of your sight to strike you. You want to move around the person trying to distract you in a circumference such that the other person does not get to either side of you nor is directly behind the person trying to distract you so you can see if he tries to do something such as taking out a knife or gun.
- The second case is like the first case but the person that will attack you is already out of sight. You want to again move in a circumference against the person trying to distract you. You have two directions to start, left or right. I suggest the direction perpendicular that is away from the street, therefore when you move your back will face a much lesser area, only the house on the side and you will be able to see the entire street.
I have to go now but will drop some things quick here so I remember to get back to them.
Usage of environment. Learn to jump short/mid height fences. When opponent tries to jump fence to follow it is good time for counter attack unless you are much faster then gtfo. I personally used this one against 4 dudes that tried to jump me on my way home when it was late after a late class at university. I was able to knock out the first dude mid-jump in one shot and the second guy messed up his jump and severally injured himself to the point he could only hold his stomach and twitch on the floor (picking a fence that had strong metallic rods was a good choice). I then put him in a choke hold and told the remaining two that they had 30 seconds to be gone or he would no longer be breathing. When I noticed they got enough distance to the point where shooting me would not be reasonable, I ran off. I had a knife but I didn’t use it because the black kids looked like they were still in high school and contrary to what some people that I even know think, taking out a knife to scare off attackers is not a good idea because it may provoke people to take out a gun that otherwise wouldn’t. On the subject of UFC/MMA and grapplers, I had friends that did it competitively and we used fake knife to practice and grapplers had no chance after knife user had only a year of practice. Also, in a street fight, I doubt grapplers would know what to do if they try to go even one on one (a style which isn’t mean for 1 vs 2 imo) and I would have used that fence trick or a myriad of other street tricks. People joke about sand in fights, but people I know have used salt packets. Glasses help in that regard. Also, in a street fight, there usually is no ground game. When my grappler friend got attacked, he dropped this dude on his head on the concrete. It was GG. Ambulance took like 5 minutes to come and no one saw anything when police came obviously.
Anyways, hope no one in this thread actually tries to do something that gets either them or anyone else injured. Sadly we don’t live in a peaceful world and it doesn’t appear to be getting better any time soon.
Why are you even here?
Why are you even here? Didn’t you get the ban hammer from the irreverent shit you said about one of the SRK members’ deaths?
All of this is sound advice.
One thing I’ll add that is evident in the video is this: don’t talk on the phone, text/play a game while you’re walking down the street. You make yourself an easy target for an attacker since you’re distracted & not paying attention to your surroundings, and any potential attacker is well aware of it. If I’m out walking and have to use my phone, I’ll find a spot that I think is relatively safe and that’s easy to survey, and stop walking. Once I’m done, I put the phone away, and keep on walking.
In short, always be aware of your surroundings and avoid distractions.
That’s a very good point, and another reason why grappling is not a very wise choice in the street.
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Been in real fights if you count Afghanistan/Iraq. Mostly using bullets though.
She must have had that belt for 20 years…
not necessarily. ive seen belts do that within a 10 year span…just depends how hardcore your school is.
Be a decent person and wash your belt
Not sure if you’re being sarcastic here…