Low Tier’s just take more practice to win with and have less high priority moves then Top Tier!!
Bleh, after re-reading my original post I realized I don’t make any sense.
Now that I think about it, tier means " x character is an overall better character than y character" and so forth. I guess, from an argumentative standpoint, you could say that overall, Chun li, Ken, Dudely, Makato and Yun are the most powerful characters in the game. In my opinion, I think the whole cast is more or less equal, varying strenghts and weakness, provided you know what you are doing, and that it comes down to skill, and out-thinking your oppontent in the end.
Whatever, blah. I’m just talking out of my ass. The point is I just hate tiers. People saying Remy is low tier makes me want to kick ass w/ him that much more.
So that being said, I change my point: Tiers are overrated. They don’t mean anything, it comes down to skill in the end. What I said in the original post underlines that.
Well, what determines skill is a hard question to answer. I would say we are both very good players. Our games came down to who played better mind games, who could take control of the flow of the match, and not making mistakes/capitalizing on mistakes.
Now, do I believe that I was handicapping myself by picking Remy, that if I had just picked Ken I would have owned this guy? No, I don’t. That’s my whole deal, I don’t believe in tiers.
That wasn’t my intention by my post, if you are refering to me. I am not “bragging” because I was able to beat his Ken w/ Remy. I believe that I can take a character like Remy and use him to his max potential and be able to hold my own against anyone … that is my goal, anyway.
I realize that there are better overall characters in the game. I just think that if X and Y players are equal skill levels, and X player brings Ken and Y player brings Remy, I believe that the better player will win … that is, whoever played the game best, whoever out-thought their opponent. Maybe that is a deluded thought and I should just switch to Ken or Chun li whatever, if that is what you think that is fine. I don’t think that way.
Tiers exist. There is no doubt about that. However, I don’t care about tiers at all. I play with who I am comfortable with. If that character happens to be low tier, then so be it.
I have no intention of playing fighting games in a competition environment, and I hardly play people who punish low-tier players. SO I just pick who I want and enjoy it. Sure I play the shotos in Streetfighter to begin with, but its a solid base to start with, but I have grown to love characters like Remy, Ibuki and Yang from 3S, Anji and May from GGXX#R so as long as I enjoy the game, I’m not going to give more than a passing glance to tiers.
Tiers do exist, but they should be irrelevant to which character you pick. Pick who you like, pick who you know.
Also, the subject line is kinda stupid. Tiers aren’t something people “believe” in. These are fighting games, not religion.
Tiers are broken. Tiers should be banned at tournaments.
By saying tiers don’t exist, your saying everything is exactly equal. By saying everything is equal, your an idiot. Your either talking about something you don’t know, and should be ignored, or saying something stupid about something you obviously don’t understand, and should be ignored.
When it comes down to a match, tiers don’t matter. All that matters is your character vs your opponent’s character. Cammy being top tier doesn’t help you one bit when your opponent is Athena.
Yet it seems its one of the hardest things for people to realize. Thats why I say I think people forgot what tiers are.
Honestly though Dasrik tiers do matter in what characters people pick, im sure even you have been guilty of playing a certain character in a fighting game not because you liked them but because you knew they were damn good in it.
When it comes down to it, in competition its all about winning. Your going to do whatever gives you the best chance of winning alot of the time.
Im going to say it one more time and hopefully people will realize it
Tiering is nothing more then a list of characters from the best to the worst in that particular game.
Fake tiers:
Ken, chun, yun
Sagat, cammy, sak, bison, blanka
mag, sent, storm
zero, geese, chun, guile
Real tears:
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Sure it takes more work dude but i don’t know about all that
usually top tier have more options and are a different play experience and that’s fun
but low tiers are a different play experience too, they tend to have different tools that are fun to use
magneto doesn’t have the strenght of juggernaut
or the invincibility hijinxs of ken (I remember one time my friend wanted to show off and chip me to death with a THC, I shippu’d right through it for the win)
he is a better character overall but he isn’t all of these characters and then some
just play who you like
Yeah, I agree. The topic should be “are tiers overrated”, and I would say that they are for certain games. I’m talking about 3s , I don’t play really anything else except maybe some VF4 and Tekken here and there.
Bottom line, people put way to much faith into tiers.
One more thing I want to add:
I think that in 3s, Ken, Chun, Yun, Dudley, Makato, *Ryu, *Necro *Hugo and Urien are ‘the best’ characters in 3s, based on move priority, power, speed, what have you, they are the best overall. I think that everyone else is at a slight disadvantage overall in this criteria, and Twelve and Sean are at big disadvantages (gay but true). But none the less everyone is close enough that it is fair.
I put a star next to Ryu, Necro, and Hugo because many don’t consider them top tier characters, shit many don’t really consider Urien, Dudley or Makato top tier either but I do.
Ken is low tier in 3s. He’s so slow and does no damage at all.
okay jae hoon I do agree wit you but tiers can be surpassed.
an example is at evo2k4 last year at super turbo finals.
People say dalshim is better then ryu at super turbo but guess what daigo’s ryu beats j-cole’s dalshim.
So in the end it’s skill. Yeah ken could beat remy in 3rd strike but what if remy could parry better then the ken guy can or he can do juggles or have mind games that work. You have to admit at some point teirs can be broken it’s just in the skill.
I Belive teirs in some games and shit but in cvs2 I don’t cause buktooth uses morgan whoops wit everyone at that game which means in cvs2 it’s more about groove then characters.
I belive if you want to win alot use the a-groove I don’t use the a-groove there for I get my ass kicked when I play a a-groover.
Cosign that shit 100%. Exactly what I am saying.
I think the original poster meant “Do you belive tiers really matter”. Of course tiers exist, no shit. It’s just that people put way too much faith in them. Just because you pick Chun li don’t mean you’ll ever be as good as Justin Wong. Chikyuu would own 90% of the 3rd Strike players on this board with his Twelve. It’s the player not the character.
The only time I’ve ever really done that is in MvC2. I learned Sentinel pretty much because you have to. That’s the only case. Any other time I pick a top tier, it’s because I actually like the character for whatever reason (ie. 3s Chunli).
Tiers do exist, but it gets less and less relavent as the playing level gets greater and greater.
Evo 2k2, JW makes the US team with Chun, come on ppl, that Chun was borderline scrubby, but he made the team cuz Chun Li is a stupid character. Especially at the time when no one knew how to deal with it.
I usually play Hugo in 3s and he’s considered low tier. Thing is, even though im not brilliant i can quite easilly beat the so called higher tiers like chun and ken. Tiers, imo, are irrelivant.
yes :sad:
Jae Hoon, which version of GGXX#Reload have you been playing? That game is so friggin’ balanced, it all boils down to bad and good matchups. The only one who has no really bad matchups and few really good matchups is Eddie. The rests, it’s relative.
People ARE afraid of May. Some characters are bad against May. Some are good. Some are 50/50. May-players win major Japanese tourneys as we speak. It’s THAT balanced.
Tiers change.
Tiers exist but they change depending on the player. For example, I am new to Street Fighter 3, and I pick Hugo because I suck at doing combos (which Hugo doesn’t rely on as much). Given my strengths and weaknesses as a player, Hugo might be an upper mid level character and someone like Oro who requires a lot of manual dexterity might be a low level character.
Or if a certain player was really good at parrying and timing, he might think of Hugo as a mid level character since Hugo both takes less damage from missing parries (high defense that can be charged up) and can do a lot damage by countering parries. Hence, for a parry happy person Hugo might be on a higher tier than for a person who thinks that parries are too risky…
You get the idea… Tiers exist but it is an individual thing to a degree.