It’s from the rules thread, 50 posts (and 6 months membership but I got that part) to sell stuff.
A moot point until I actually make something though, I need to be more active on here anyway.
IL sticks branded with a XB360/PS3 style PCB (I know nothing about Xbox one or PS4) would work nicely. And yes you need to go back to before 2004 to buy traditional high quality “Happ” Competition controllers, otherwise you need IL sticks. While the console side of things were always solid, the PC side of these types of controllers have been a complete JOKE, except for those that used I-pac PCBs or hacked 360/PS3 controllers.
The problem with the PC extended even to the old style MAS joysticks, which I had to angrily return (after Arguing with the manufacturer that they were unusable on the PC!) due to their INSISTENCE on following PERFECT USB keyboard protocol. This caused horrible worthless inputs like 4-6 key rollover, where 1) you couldn’t use two joysticks at once, 2) you couldn’t press diagonally and multiple buttons at the same time without the joystick freezing inputs or spazzing out. And these people back then were completely clueless about the PC, because N key rollover simply didn’t exist at that time, except over the PS/2 port, and even then, some devices didn’t use it. I’m not getting into the “PPP/KKK registration” on the PC, or lack of it (that has to do with differences in arcade and PC recognition of multiple inputs, and how arcade emulators with keyboard arcade controllers handled it, vs the real machines, which were different, but note that Xbox 360 controllers register PPP/KKK fine on Callus emulator (SF2 turbo). ), but I did a lot of work, and the first keyboard programmable device that supported full 12 key rollover (two 6 key keyboard devices) without freezing the joystick if more than 12 were somehow pressed) was the original I-pac, with a firmware chip update, and the Ipac/32 I think managed to get 18 inputs registered, after Andy and I found out about the bug with the Microsoft USB keyboard driver and 12 inputs (the bug with more than 11 inputs was the same bug that affected the Microsoft sidewinder x4/x6 keyboards, where the 13th input would ghost the 12th and make them repeat).
The Xarcade still had problems with multiple inputs, and I don’t know if that was ever resolved, as I had to stop messing with the insides of controllers and taking apart joysticks due to horrible and painful back problems and scoliosis (I don’t want to risk being paralyzed–yes I’m disabled).
Thankfully, these days, with the explosion of fighting sticks that are PC compatible, we don’t really need keyboard devices anymore, although there are still some uses for those devices, and SOME very old games won’t recognize “hat switch” inputs on Xbox dpads (Callus, for example) while they pick up analog inputs. This means the Qanba Q4 will work if you press the mode button to put the stick in analog mode, while the madcatz controllers won’t work, as the PC “madcatz neo” driver only has the hatswitch and buttons, with no driver to support the analog emulation (pretty big flaw, IMO). You can use joy to key to get callus to work on the joystick of a madcatz controller (or an xbox 360 dpad), to map the dpad into keyboard keys, but it’s annoying.
Sorry for the long sided rant, but it’s pretty pathetic that people had to deal with shitty keyboard emulation support on older controllers for so long, and now every new USB keyboard (Corsairs, Ducky Shine 5’s, etc) all support N key rollover without dropping inputs, which is what we could have used so long ago, before the I-pac/32 allowed more than 12 inputs.
P.S. The Xbox 360 controller (including the Qanba Q4 in PC mode) has no problems registering multiple buttons (e.g. KKK/PPP). It was the keyboard PCB devices that did. Just tested Zangief’s PPP/KKK in Callus. This also includes a madcatz TE controller using joy2key as well.
And you could have stopped there but you just kept on typing.
Whoa there cowboy. Who invaded your personal living space?
Spoiler
That is a lot of text to convey very little information.
Essay formats are not that helpful when it comes to a DIY modding Forum.
Also with a few exceptions, no one uses Keyboard encoders anymore. This is not a 90’s M.A.M.E. group.
@Falkentyne I read and appreciated your post. Don’t listen to anal retentive types. There is an unhealthy obsession by some people on these forums. Back seat moderating and no chill.
@slugnasty I think some of lambasting was sarcastic in nature. Most TT folks know it’s all in good fun.
And some was genuinely deserved as @Falkentyne admitted to that crime against humanity which is choosing MAME over JAMMA (aka authentic arcade PCBs)!!!
@slugnasty I am, by no means trying to be 8 button… however… there was nothing of value added. It was someone talking/spewing information that had nothing to do or was relevant to the discussion.
Maybe I am just too old but for cripes sakes… but if you dont have folks to talk to IRL, don’t take it here to dump your life story about something irrelevant to the post. It helps no one.
I apologize for being such an idiot, but I have no idea what any of this means. When I was playing in tournaments in my hometown, people would bring HAPP joysticks, and explain to me the whole HAPP thing, and I had no idea what any of it meant. All I know is when I used a HAPP stick my friend lent me, I would be able to execute combinations to the exact specification as the arcade I played on in the local FYE arcade in my hometown.
I am just looking to play on my PS3 the same way I played in the arcade, maybe with a little less ability, but overall there is no way to hold the PS3 controller in a way that allows me to perform certain combos.
I appreciate all the feedback though. I don’t think I have ever made a thread on any forum with this many posts. I’m hoping to soon be performing combos like I did when I was 20. (10 years ago). Right now I am choosing Sentinel, Storm, Commando, and being beaten by people who are using Zangief.
Thanks again.
BTW I make HAPP style sticks
IL (not happ, unless it’s before year 2004) competition sticks are still extremely awesome sticks.
The best approximation of a Happ (actually IL, as Happ branded sticks suck now; IL makes the good versions) competition joystick is a Seimitsu LS-56 joystick with a Seimitsu octagonal gate. Then you can play both shooters/platformers and fighting games equally well. They are competent to this day.
The Sanwa Octagonal gate sucks for fighting games that rely on diagonal move priority due to the extra resistance you get when trying to transition from a diagonal to a primary direction, while they are good for shooters and platformers. The square gate doesn’t have any extra resistance, as it only exists at the diagonals, and is probably the best for most fighters, but is just completely utterly horrible for platformers and shooters (8 way) that rely on the cardinal directions (and don’t get me started on 4 way games).
I don’t need to play anything other than 1 game, for 1 system. Just Marvel vs Capcom 2, for PS3, which is why I requested the HAPP parts. I do not play any other games, and I need my diagonals to be perfect. So I don’t know if that affects anything.
Either way, I am still unable to find any decent 6 button sticks online, so I think I may just be stuck without.
Hopefully you’re near Florida so that S&H won’t be too much.
It just matters how much work you want to put in. You could build your own case or buy one. Found this:
Maybe this guy would cut you one with six holes instead of eight. Otherwise fill the holes and cover with plexi/art.
I tried to contact those guys some time last year about single player stuff but never heard back. Also, from the pictures, the button spacing that they’re using looks off.
LOL at the name of the seller.
Does this one say what console it’s for? I need it for PS3.
I believe USB (PC) only
That means theres a 60/40 chance it’ll work on PS3!!!
Hopefully at least some buttons’ mapping on that guy’s MAME PCB translate to X , O , and Start in PS3 land.
Yeah I actually bought 2 off of eBay and both were USB. The first time I didn’t ask about PS3 (didn’t work) and the 2nd time, I asked, and he said it would (it didn’t work).
Tough luck for me. Haha.