I’ll admit, if someone is spazzing on me (and yeah, I get that a lot even from some regular RB2 players), I’m going to sit there and let them dance around then punish. If someone’s doing to crouch in the corner and do nothing when I have a lead, yeah, I’m not going to rush in. Whenever you had any pressure on you, you just line shifted, and it’s a lot harder to punish line shifting in RBSP then in RB2, where a dumb line shift makes you eat a combo.
BTW Ghosty agrees with me on the line shift. I gotta say I disagree with you all, then again you guys actually like RBSP for some reason. It seems like there is no way to bridge the RB communities- RBSP and RB2 are two different games. I really think RB2 rewards INTELLIGENT offense more then RBSP. You don’t have one catch-all answer.
Also, to be fair, Ghosty is a lot better then you guys. Josh has the potential to be just as good, as long as someone’s there to shove a hot poker up his ass every time he puts the char select cursor on Tung.
The only thing I agree with the RBSP fans on is that some chars were nerfed too heavily in RB2- but I’ll take mistakes in character design over mistakes in engine design. I find Real Bout 1 more entertaining then Real Bout Special.
Well, thanks for the compliments, sir, but I actually enjoy the guy so sorry. =P But I like fighting against Old Sagat, too, so there ya go.
And yes, Larry, arstal is like that is any game just about. Ghostpilot, on the other hand, will show you what RB2 has to offer in terms of smart offense & mobility. I’ve started to pick up on that myself just from playing him, and I’ve been adapting a bit of that to Sokaku & even Tung.
You know what? Is there a way we could run tournaments for both games on 2DF, as a sort of test run to see how people like them?
Yeah I think he’s better in Rb2 by far…I enjoy watching Ghostpilot’s style… :tup:
but better in RBS?? (Remember I dont play RB2 seriously thus I expect people that DO to be better, but RBS I play seriously bigggggg difference!)
I’ll challenge anyone to a duel for that title!!! :nunchuck: (I want to rule RBS with an IRON FIST!!!)
Also yeah Larry I see what you are saying…some people just like to turtle…
and I agree you can’t spam shit in RBS…Line Shift nullifies that…you get in a pattern and same thing for me too I’m gonna punish you royally if you get in any type of pattern…you are losing a full bar!
The fact that one-bar punishment is so easy to do in response to a move is what makes the game turtle-ish. Most games with high combo damage, especially off of something simple tend to cause people to be afraid to stick moves out. It’s the same reason 3S has turtle tendencies.
I can understand that completely…but that once again goes to the point that people don’t know how to handle line shifts…
Because for one you all forget that to use a line shift attack you have to LINE SHIFT…meaning you are open the moment you do this…and for anyone that is trying to read me and play what I call “Intelligent line shifting” (I do this, and from what I am reading Larry does also) I will bait you to Line Shift with a jab or quick normal and then punish you while shifting with my Top/Bottom Plane C into Super or attack…
Also you gotta remember arstal that you can bait Line Shifts with Jabs/ quick normals!!! I treat Line Shifts like Breakshots that have weaknesses!!!
See this example…
HOW TO BEAT THE CPU BILLY ON LEVEL 8 almost without losing HEALTH in RBS (By Dark Geese)
This is the basis of Intelligent Line Shifting!
You must be out of his pole special (qcf+a) range at all times!
Bait him with cr.a, st.a, or a st.b and keep it up until he does his dp pole attack!
Immediately Line Shift and when he lands he is open to a Top/Bottom+C into special or Super!
Backdash out of range of his pole special again…
Rinse, repeat!
Also once he gets low on health he will do pinwheel super… Immediately Line Shift and run to him and punish the pinwheel with Top/Bottom+C into Special/Super!!!
Rinse, repeat!
Disclaimer and warning- This is where the Billy Wall Bug comes into play- DO NOT use Top/Bottom+C into super vs. Billy if hes RIGHT on the wall…IT WILL WHIFF or your Line Shift will hit but the SUPER WILL MISS and if its a punishable super Billy will take all of your health with Pinwheel super ON REACTION!
It’s a LOT easier to bait line shifts in RB2, where there isn’t option select, and the penalty for getting caught on an option select isn’t as huge.
The line shift system in RB2 is just better in every way. (That’s not saying RB2 doesn’t have issues in other areas- but I think none of the issues are as major as RBS’s big issues)
I can see this…its like the guy said…both games are different games…both appeal to different things…
You gotta play smarter vs. Line Shifts in RBS than in RB2…thats the thing…so of course if people arent used to playing super smart vs. Line Shifts in RBS and are use to not getting punished that bad from Line Shifts in RB2 then immediately their first reaction is gonna be that “Line Shifts ruin the game”…
Sure compare to RB2 thats the first thing they would notice…but like I say it just means you gotta play smarter and know the weaknesses of Line Shifting… If you know the weaknesses and how to play against it it doesn’t bother you one bit… It becomes very very strategic…if one person is just abusing Line Shift C to special all the time they lack in their strategic Line Shift game…because Line Shift Sweeps (and other things) are gonna take them out!
And about RB2’s issues I think it depends…because if you are talking about the slowdown on Sokaku’s level thats a MAJOR issue IMO… (though it doesnt apply to the versions we have on the PS2)
RB2 more turtle heavy than RBS? why cause of the more breakshots that are added? cause there are more overheads for the characters? why, because you cant keep on escaping through the backplane in RB2 unlike RBS?
also beating billy on level 8 is easy, especially with yama. just medium snake fist him till he dies or ctach him with your combo.
dg, you gotta realize that if the RBS lineshift was the most intelligent way to go they wouldnt have pefected it to the changed version of RB2.
1 thing you can keep on doing in RBS whats not possible in RB2, keep on running, jumping and dashing though the other plane as long as you stay out of the nemies strking range from the other plane. which is a lot easier to do when escaping than it is in RB2.
Drn goes back and forth with ghostp from what I’ve seen on 2df so how is he so much better than drn? I know I suck at every game I play, but drn doesn’t suck. He’s one of the best rb2 players in the usa. With his 2nd place at nec and 3rd at frxi in rb2 proves he is 3rd best in rb2 right now.
Drn and steve h are the SOLE REASON people are interested in rb2 now with their nec battles! People saw them play and gained interest in the game. Josh has done a lot to keep rb2 hype going, but imo it started with steve and drn! Its cool to be the best or one of the best online, but to do it in an offline tournament is were you get your props.
That’s why we play these games imo. To compete offline in a tournament to see who is the best at their favorite game. So imo the only people that have proven to be better than drn in rb2 in a tournament setting is steve h and josh.
Josh has a lot of skills in mad different games! He love to play ST and most of the characters aren’t nerfed in that game. I love ST also and I view the characters in ST the same as rbs. Very strong characters roster with hardly no useless characters on the roster. That’s why I didn’t understand why he doesn’t like rbs, but I understand now.
That fine with me if ghostp, you, josh, and whoever else doesn’t like rbs due to the gameplay style (aka line shifting/sidestep). Isn’t GP favorite/main character is franco bash right? If that’s true if I was him I would like rb2 more also. He seems like he got upgraded in rb2 with high low mixups.
I know ninjamatt will disagree with me because he plays with franco also in both games, but if he had the high low mixups in rbs he would beast on everyone for free in rbs imo. I do know what franco has in rbs that makes him great, but I’ll let you play against ninjamatt to see what rbs franco has to offer.
I can’t and won’t speak for lukus. I will say that the way he is talking about rb2 is kinda disrespectful of the game and that’s the main reason people are being so defensive of rb2 with personal attacks on peoples skill level or attacks on rbs gameplay.
Yes dg gets out of hand when talking about rb2 when calling it boring and dry compared to rbs. That’s a personal preference on gameplay just like saying rbs is ruined because of sidesteping. All of this hating needs to stop imo from both sides. I don’t hate rb2 like you guys hate rbs. I just hate how ALL of my characters got nerfed hard and some got totally changed into new characters.
Ok now that’s out the way break down of our matches in rbs and ss2:
In ss2 I did spaz the slide because you was whoring away so much it was the only way I could get up on you to beat your long effective pokes when you played with charlotte and konshiro(I can’t remeber if thats his correct name). It seem like you couldn’t walk forward without dashing back atleast 2x then throwing a projectile 1st when I played you in ss2.:lol: That fine because you are suppose to play charlotte that way in ss2 imo.
Examples in most ss2 matches we played:
Arstal backdashing atleast 2x to get space and start spamming/throwing projectiles at me. Now I have to work my way in on his good defensive tactics. I said to myself fuck this shit I’m going to rush him down with gen-an’s slide tactics and it worked! You may view it as spazzing, but it worked against you, so of course I’m going to keep doing it to you. Then you are turtling with 2nd best character in the game against a low tier character in gen-an. :lol:
Now to rbs examples:
You tell me you are going to play with mai to see if she is good. I choose who people think is the worst character in the game in EX TUNG. 1st thing you do in most games is hop back 1-2 times and start to spam projectiles with mai just like in ss2. :lol: so I figured your plan was the same in rbs as it was in ss2. To get me to jump over your projectiles so you can do the following options;
Rembu me out the air
Jump up and hit me out of the air
Sweep me as I land
I don’t want to fall into that trap, so what should I do? I KNOW WHAT I’ll do sir. I’ll just sidestep that shit a punish you for spamming fb’s. Your attacking patterns were so preditable because most of the time you followed an close fb with a jumping attack.
EX tung has no special move air defense and his breakshot is slow as fuck as you saw when we played. His breakshot is his c burnknuckle attack, so it comes out soo slow you can bait his breakshot in rbs with jab attacks. Mai is one of the best rushdown characters in rbs, but you choose to run away with her in rbs.
You even told me that is the way you defeat tung in rb2. You just wait him out. Did you ever think that is the way you beat drn in rb2 using tung and not how you beat tung? Atleast it seems like he’s the only one that uses him seriously in rb2. DRN wants to rush your shit down in every game, and to counter that you have to turtle imo. I’ve told him to slow down sometimes, but it doesn’t feel right for him to play like that and I understand.
He’s a rushdown player that uses characters in a rushdown style and sometimes he goes to crazy with the rushdown. He can’t cut off that rushdown/combo meter in his head!:lol: and there’s nothing wrong with that imo. I just don’t like being his combo dummy as he is always trying to make a combo movie on his foes! :lol:
You also said ex tung is better than rb2 tung and they should have put him in rb2. The funny thing is you didn’t realize it at the time, but with that statement you validated my whole arguement about rbs characters compared to rb2 versions when you said that the worst character in rbs should have been used in rb2 instead of the super nerfed version in rb2. The funny thing is the reason ex tung is thought of as the worst character in rbs is because he is suppose to be rb2 version of tung. Meaning he is the toned down version of rbs tung and he is still better than tung in rb2.
My style in every fighting game I play may not be pretty, but imo its effective and it usually pisses people off. I really don’t have a style of play imo. I just try do what it takes to win during a fight. You choose to not rushdown with mai in rbs, so it put you at a disadvantage imo.
Sidesteping/line shifting don’t mean shit if you are rushing fools down with mai because all of her plane shift attacks are fast as hell! Short on range, but fast in speed, thus your style of play doesn’t fit that character. You basically gave me the advantage in most of those matches when you choose to whore away with mai.
But to be fair you don’t play rbs, so how would you know that. You didn’t know that because you don’t know the in’s and out’s of each character in rbs and your playing style doesn’t suit the character you used against me. You said you just wanted to test mai out to see if she was good or not.
I didn’t spaz anything in rbs when we played. I just exploited the weakness you gave yourself by not rushing down with mai in rbs. Don’t blame rbs sidesteps/line shifting for you losing to me. DG has posted a lot of strats on how to use her in rbs. You choose to not to use her the way the DG instructed people to do in rbs and you lost. I guess you don’t respect DG enough to follow his directions on using mai in rbs. I think DG views on rbs mai is pretty spot on the way people should play her in rbs. Its good to find your own style of play also. I’m all for someone playing any character the way THEY want to play them. Its good not to xcopy someone else strats on how to play a character. I do this all the time. but dg has been preaching how to play rbs mai for almost a year now. If you wasn’t having success playing your style then maybe, just MAYBE you should have tried it dg way once.
Damn that was a long post. Bored at work on my cell phone post are going to be long! :lol: :lol:
I think you can turtle better in RB2 and get away with it.
I do believe that the Line Shift system in RB2 is better balanced without a doubt… I will give them props on that for changing it, but like I say it’s not the be all end all in RBS…there’s quite a few ways around it if you just use your head and think…sure you gotta think more this time around than in RB2 how to stop Line Shifts…thats the thing I see…but I dont mind that challenge at all…
But yes you did state many of the things why I feel its more turtle heavy…
More breakshots, less escape maneuvers, plus they took out a lot more offensive weapons of the characters, meaning the game becomes more wait and bait, turtle, spacing etc…RBS is much more of a rushdown game! More characters in RBS are made to be offensive…while in RB2 more are better suited for turtling, wait and bait, traps in the corner like Blood using his Spinning cape Japanese trap in the corner because he doesnt have much else to use due to being extremely toned down!
Larry- there wasnt a RB2 tournament at NEC8…I just arranged that Steve H vs. DRN exhibition thing and I told him (DRN) about it while we were playing RBS and RB2 in the hotel before hand how I was gonna set it up to hype up RB2…
Yeah and it is funny how people forget the reason the hype is strong for RB2 began ** due to my working**… (Steve H and DRN)
So yes I respect the game…I can not like it as much as RBS…but still promote it and play it…after all we are talking about SNK are we not?? That is my overall goal!
Also Larry if someone said RBS is boring and dry due to Line Shifting I wouldnt view that as disrespectful to RBS…that’s just their opinion… (Musolini said it and you see it didnt bother me!)
I’m fine with that…it’s how people take it IMO thats the thing…I don’t look at me saying RB2 is boring as disrespectful because it’s not saying the game sucks (It doesn’t, its a good game!)…it’s just saying I can’t get into it. Not everyone finds every game exciting and fun…you can’t change that… But you can change misinformation!!!
Saying a game is boring is an opinion IMO lol…Saying Line Shift ruins the game is misinformation…
It’s easier to disprove to someone that Line Shift ruins the game rather than disproving “XYZ is boring”… (Good luck trying to prove to someone that a game is NOT boring!)
I mean cause think of it this way guys…if I thought a game sucked and truly was disrespecting it then I wouldn’t have held that exhibition match to try and promote it!!
If I think a game sucks I aint going to try and promote it!!! So RB2 is one of those things to me like yes I love all my SNK children, love all my SNK games, but some of them I play more than others because some I can get into more than others…that’s really it…
I mean damn I know the weight I carry in the SNK community…I know people are out to beat me in every SNK game and have high expectations of me in every one…its part of the territory I know that…and the more tournaments I win and place in the higher the expectations…but I also gotta let people know that some games I play more than others also!!! ( In other words yes I do have preferences! Hell like I love Hispanic women, but even within Hispanic women I have my own preferences for certain types!)
So yes what may be boring to me may be exciting to someone else…not saying a game is bad…If I think a game is bad I’ll say so…
and because I love all my SNK children very few SNK games I find bad!!! (even if I cant play it seriously doesnt mean I think its bad!)
But RB2 is a good game…but not all games considered good I can get into necessarily…
(I.E. Guilty Gear, Tekken, 3s, and a lot of mainstream games)
I’ll admit knowing you were Neo’s training partner, I made a mistake and vastly underestimated you, thinking you’d play like Neo, that screwed me up bigtime. Also I do have some lack of familiarity fighting Gen-An, and RBSP I really don’t play at all cause I flat out dislike the game. Hell, I like 3s more, and that says something. BTW turtling on Tung is how you do it in RB2- it works on Josh as well, and Josh has more flexibility then Neo.
Snipping the long other crap, but I know this, I’ve seen Ghosty and Neo play- it’s not very back and forth. In a 10 game set, I’d give you even odds Neo wouldn’t win more then twice out of 10.
Ghosty’s favorite char is Mary, who is MUCH weaker in RB2, but can be played well. Just takes a lot more skill. Franco’s his 2nd best character.
Personally, I can understand why DG/Blanka/Neo find RB2 boring- it’s not their type of game at all- it rewards a skillset that don’t find appealing. RBSP, to me, I feel the same way about- it rewards a skillset I don’t find fun to play. They like more action and power, I like more thinking and being forced to plan a step or two ahead (God shares my mentality exactly)
yes this is true the fight with steve was to see how he won the side tourney at evo and i was a lil shocked i played real bad that day but that match and the vid ghostpilot was posting with me,god2.0,arstal,fullmetalj,josh,and izlude is what brought attention to realbout 2 as much as i love rb2 i think rbs is better and i wanna thank all for giving the realbout games a chance they are great games but if anybody wanna beef up you can find me and the players mentioned on 2df:china:
Yeah true indeed…people forget though that I got the train rolling/planted the seeds in the tournament circuit for RB2…and you all kept the train rolling and still are keeping it rolling!
You guys kept it going as I knew you would! :tup: I didn’t doubt that…I just wanted to help you guys efforts and make sure it wasnt going in vain…as now I see its not…its taken shape as a completely different animal…I made you guys job easier by setting up that match with RB2…and look where we are now…
Talking this much about RB2…
I think everyone just forgot the part my hand played in all this since they just see me “bashing” RB2 so much for what they see. :wonder:
For me now that RB2 is getting its due its time for me to focus my efforts on RBS…and that’s really what I am doing everyone!!!
RB2 doesn’t need my intervention anymore to bring light/attention to it…
I don’t know if this accounts for anything, but I find that I can jump into RB2 and play decently ,but when I play RBS I just get owned. It just seems like the skill set I have from other SNK games transfers over much easier into RB2 than RBS. I still gotta learn these games though…
lol people who play together dont always play alike i played with you and ghost for years and i dont play like none of you and rb2 is not boring to me i just feel that rbs is better and i play way different offline in a tourney setting :china:
DG, I know you’re not trashing the game. You’re good at hyping shit without trashing other stuff and other people. A lot of the trashing on here is due to stylistic differences- I really think there are two “types” of SNK players.
The extreme of the first type is Neo, and the extreme of the second type is God 2.0
RBSP caters entirely to the first type of players, and RB2 caters entirely to the second type of player. It’s amazing how the RB series changes so much from game to game- I’ve never met anyone who doesn’t have a clear favorite between the three games, but I’ve seen preferences for each.
Theres some things you gotta learn certainly in RBS that will better prepare you…I can help you and plenty on here can online etc…we’d both be glad to help you out!
This is very true… Esp him saying he plays different offline…wayy different…just from watching his vids online and seeing him offline I can tell you he plays differently…hence online as we all know is great for practice, but you can only judge on offline events due to lag and other factors nothing new everyone.
I agree completely with what you are saying and you summed up at least in my regard how I think about things…I enjoy more action and power…though I dont mind thinking and appreciate games that reward thinking! But I prefer Action, speed, thinking and power!
Thanks for the compliments…sometimes I feel my efforts go unnoticed/are unappreciated…
I find it funny how you know what GOD is thinking about a videogame. :lol: and he agree’s with you and your views? :lol: I don’t have a problem with rb2 gameplay system. Never said that in my post. I don’t like how my characters are nerfed in rb2. I never said rb2 was boring. That was DG not me, so get your facts straight sir. My problem is and always has been nerfing my characters. Some so badly that they don’t even play the same and they should have gotten rid of them and put a new character in rb2 instead of the nerfed/changed version in rb2. That’s my problem with rb2.
PS-DG YOU ARE NOT GILL or OROCHI!?!?! Wtf is with that “I love all of my snk children” bs? That’s why people hate on you and the games you try to push due to your cocky posting you do from time to time. Yes you maybe kidding around, but some people won’t see any humor in that “my snk children” statement. You are a normal person just like me sir. I know its getting closer to mwc and maybe you like being the bad guy, thus why you carry the geese name! You say that you don’t want drama, but you seem to stir it up sir. As long as you can back it up do what you do sir just realize that people will be gunning for you at mwc. I’m sure you can handle the pressure sir.
but dg has been preaching how to play rbs mai for almost a year now. If you wasn’t having success playing your style then maybe, just MAYBE you should have tried it dg way once.
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