DIE ALREADY! The Jill Valentine Combo/Strategy Thread

paulow3b · September 19, 2012, 2:53am

Lamuness, awesome resets! I’m gonna adjust them to my Triple Arrow assist. I love the double knee drop reset with Disruptor and ambiguos Cartwheel! Thanks for sharing.

lamuness · September 19, 2012, 4:02am

Thanks! That 2nd video isn’t mine, and I can’t get that ambiguous cartwheel to work :(. I think out of the hour I was trying to learn those resets from Ika’s video, I’ve only landed ambiguous cartwheel only one time, and that’s from start position. If i’m in the corner, or anywhere on my side of the screen, it won’t work :.

paulow3b · September 19, 2012, 7:01am

Wow,

But for me only a few resets are enough! I won’t be able to remember all of this stuff! hehe
Now that I’m using point Jill, my gameplay will improve. So I guess. o.O

The_Real_Sophos · September 19, 2012, 9:23am

Just picked up Jill.

How the hell do you cancel the somersault into jump loops? It is frustrating.

Gangie · September 19, 2012, 10:55am

Hold up. If the somersault hits, it will cancel the animation after the hit by jumping. A jump cancel.

KakaClaymore · September 19, 2012, 7:54pm

Nah, I don’t think Mag is her best assist at all. EM Disrupter causes a soft knockdown meaning comboing off of it is a bit more difficult than everything else. Also, although it’'s a beam, it’s speed makes moving in a bit harder (instead of two mixups and feral Dashes you get with other assists, your getting one). It’s decent for resets and has a reliable DHC and a quick move in, but that’s it. I guess it would be useful from a full screen distance for a quick move in, but jill should never be a full screen distance away anyway.

With Sent, the assist call is very slow and makes her get bopped by anyone with a projectile hyper more often than not. Even if you have a MGS to save her, MGS doesn’t beat everything and MGS+Sent assist call can get bopped by Some Hypers.

Strider is her best assist due to acting as an anti-air to reverse her bad matchups, huge combo extender, one of the best reset assists, THC that allows her to setup high/lows with hitbox flood, and allowing two dashes. Let’s not forget to mention the Hard knockdown sets up some mean oki as well. It makes the “reverse” Triangle as Like to call it extremely more effective.

Pressure Wise I feel like Frank West, IM, and Coldstar are best. Frank West is so powerful because of how long it is, and it’s shear speed. Both of those factors allow Jill to go for high lows/left rights (lol 6H) at the same time and of course allow 2 dashes. Jill has no problems getting frank to 4 since she can get it with a DHC into Blue Light Special (if your already called his assist) and snap a pic on all of P1 side and most of P2, or a DHC into survival techniques+Arrow kick. The THC is EXTREMELY effective since it gives Jill large projectile Durability that she can combo off of or set up resets. Frank West. along with Ammy is great to call on the Start of the Round gambit as well to keep you in the ass. Keeping them grounded is vital as well. Of course this means you have to give up some of your damage output to Get frank to 4, but that shouldn’t be a problem.

Doom is decent. Hidden missles has huge startup and although a great combo extender will get bopped for how slow it is but do great for incomming mixups. Without a doubt Dooms better assist for Jill is his Beam or Molecular shield, but that suffers from Magneto’s issue of Soft Knockdown as well. The DHC Does good damage but the THC is only mediocre and serves little purpose. His Beam allows for one Feral Crouch movement but is extremely durable and can get you out of Full screen situations. I much prefer Doom with Molecular Shield than his other two assists because of it’s great combo extending, fast startup while still acting as hitboxes that may cover Jill’s approach.

Ammy’s amazing. Her assist allows many tick Command grab setups, Makes the “reverse” triangle extremely unnoticable and hard to block and covers such a large angle distance and hitbox that it’s very unlikely that it’ll get bopped by a c.L or an oddity of that source, Huge Oki comes with ColdStar as well. The DHC is safe and the THC is quite potent, I covered the potency and strength of it in one of these threads. While not being as potent as the Doom and Ammy THC, Jill’s relies of Crossups to get a mixup or command grab. Incomming mixups with Cold Star are ridiculous.

IM’s Great for his Beam and his Repulsor. I feel that Repulsor and Jill is one of the strongest Incomming mixups out right now and creates some of the greatest Corner Okizeme. Repulsor can also be used as a Close up mixup assist combo extender, but once again it gets bopped from mid screen and full screen. It’s great to call during the Start of Round Gambit as well.
I’M’s beam is extremely good as well. It’s hold status, Grounded status, and shear durability and duration make it her best beam assist. Allows about two or three Feral Crouch movements, creates GREAT resets and 50/50’s with the use of Double Knee Drop applications as well. The THC is REALLY good as well due to hitbox flooding and Jill’s movement. If your opponent gets hit anywhere during the THC, Jill can convert it into a reset or Flip Kick Loop. Can be called from anywhere on the playing field and any distance from Full screen (and even full screen) allows mixups,cross ups, and tick throws. Like Repulsor it’s a great combo extender as well.

Although I mention some assists getting bopped more often then others, it’s sometimes quite irrelevant since each assist serves a different purpose on the screen. That’s why I feel that Ammy, IM, Strider and Frank West serve the most important purpose in assisting Jill.

I see, the “I don’t Know Death” makes more sense now haha. That’s the best way to beat your opponent, with them
having no idea wtf is going on! Thanks to whoever posted them on NicoVideo!

I think you can put Dante in that assist list , Jam Session is a Anti Air for bad matchups and give some lockdown for mix ups only the range is bad >.<

And the THC is Amazing on hit or On block !

The_Real_Sophos · September 19, 2012, 11:36pm

Gotcha.

How many loops should I be able to do? I can only get 2 then they flip out.

lamuness · September 20, 2012, 3:54am

A 3rd one is possible but you don’t have any options to follow up with.

My advice is to look over this thread, there’s millions of links to Jill combo videos. Even though they’re vanilla most of them still work in Ultimate. They haven’t changed her much.

NonSexualRice · September 20, 2012, 4:14am

You can follow up a third with H,4H,Cart.

paulow3b · September 20, 2012, 6:55am

You can do** four loops** acctually with great timing. Example.
M > H > bH> sommersault > jH > jS (delayed) > loop (jM > jM > jH > jS) x3 > S > air combo

Make sure your combo doesn’t use dH before sommersault.

lamuness · September 21, 2012, 5:32am

Oh, I wasn’t counting the first j.H, j.S lol. j.MMHS part you can do 2 times with consistency. A 3rd seems to be only able to follow up w/ an S after you land.

The_Real_Sophos · September 23, 2012, 3:29am

Ok so lets say I do

LMH, qcf.M, diagup.M j.H j.S j.M j.H j.S… what do you do after those 2 loops? or am I doing the loop(s) wrong?

NonSexualRice · September 23, 2012, 5:16am

That combo has Many issues.

Don’t start Jill combos with L, start it with M, H,2H,4H,etc.
DO NOT use her Cartwheel in the beginning of a combo.
It’s j.HS, j.MMHS.

Your Jump loop is going to look like this

M,H,2H,4H,22S,Somersault,j.HS, j.[MMHS,MMHS], s.H,4H,Cartwheel,22S, Somersault,MGS.

Gangie · September 23, 2012, 5:26am

I don’t think I understand the notation. You’re saying diagup after the cartwheel, which to me is suggesting you’re feral dashing up and forward after that move for some reason. Here’s a simple one that I like to use and suggest in its place:

M, H, 2H, 4H, 22S, Somersault, JC towards, jH, jS, land and jump forward, jM, jM, jH, jS, land and jump straight up, jM, jM, jH, jS, H, 4H, Cartwheel, 22S, Somersault, MGS

You can start it with L and it will still all connect, but try to avoid that if you can. It’ll scale it down from about 620k to about 590k

EDIT: NSR’s ninja post is right. You used your ground bounce too early.

The_Real_Sophos · September 23, 2012, 6:52am

AHHHHHHHH, this is becoming more and more enjoyable now, thank you guys tons.

NonSexualRice · September 24, 2012, 12:14am

No prob.

Ika_Zuchi_No_Kami · September 24, 2012, 6:30am

lol, you guys are so late. I post those Jill videos in the thread the same day I uploaded them. that was three months ago. o_O

AlukardNY · September 24, 2012, 10:06am

i think disrupter is one of her best because it is one of the best beam assist regardless just from sheer speed of it being across the screen … because it allows her to advance on the opponent really easy… i’m not talking about mixup … also magnus is one of the best characters in the game … also the dhc is really good… i’ll agree with sent … but i use sent for hard knock down and oki … i dont like having jill and strider on the same team … health is too much of an issue … but yea i agree with all your ideas just dont like teams that if jill gets hit your team runs like poop… i’m still working on jill tony doom though … but doom is a pretty deep character if you use dash cancels and just all his tools so we’ll see if i’ll be ready for SB with the jill tony doom team

on a side note i REALLY REALLY like that ika, sexrice, paulo, and myself play different jill teams because that almost guarantees us new tech because we see her from a totally different aspect as players so as long as we keep this up and keep in contact we might be able to work together and bring jill home some nice W’s

i got 3rs yesterday at KOTC … i switched jill out for tony in match ups i like tony alot more in … played mag jill/tony sent … my doom didn’t feel quite ready yet

The_Real_Sophos · September 24, 2012, 11:56am

Not sure if you guys do this with Sent/Jill but if you happen to have Sent in before Jill and you do whatever Sent combo you choose, just as you Rocket Punch call Jill (arrow kick) and do Hyper Sent. Force. It allows you to microwave right after. (in the corner obviously)

I hope to get good enough with my team to offer new perspectives and tech with Jill and Spider-Man… but that is going to be a while. D: I use her arrow kick to start easy web throw combos atm.

paulow3b · September 24, 2012, 10:54pm

Just got 3rd place in a tournament here in Brazil. My Jill is better, dudes. Made a nice comeback (no xfactor) against Dante and Vergil. There’s no videos uploaded yet, but I’ll post them here as soon as they are available.
I lost twice to a Mag/ Storm/ Sent player. Bah.

Now, I’m just making some experience with Tenderizer assist, so this way I get a lockwdown assist (Tenderizer) and a projectile one (Triple Arrow). I’ve got to sacrifice some dagame though… Combos with Stone Smite give me some TODs. (with DHC to Inferno, of course u_u)