501

An already small community which was then split and made smaller.

You answered the question many times yourself though.

502

I don’t follow you. I compared one hardcore community to another, one community accepts balance changes, one does not. Where’s your answer?

503

Dividing a huge community =/= Dividing a tiny community

I don’t think it’s that hard to understand.

Also, to everyone using the word “elitist”: You’re a fucking moron.

I’ve only been playing 3S for about 1 year, 2 if I count the time I playing casually. That’s nothing. However, I absolutely love the game, it’s my favorite fighting game ever by far and I’m hoping to improve as much as possible. Even as a mid/low level player, I understand the following:

  • The game has been around a long time now. The people who still play it obviously love it very much.
  • There is a set tier list that won’t be changing drastically any time soon, yet there are examples of many players bringing mid/low tier levels into the spotlight.
  • Learning and being good at a game that your competition has been playing for 8-9 years is not easy, obviously.

So how hard is it to understand that a re-balance is NOT the way to go. The game is old, it will NOT attract a serious new audience, except for the random people that will quit after 1-2 months. Those who decide to stick around will eventually learn the game the way it was intended to be.

I honestly feel that the gist of everyone asking for a re-balance is: “I lose to top tier because I haven’t learned enough about the game. I am not at the level that allows me to play those matchups well enough and not be overwhelmed by a top tier character. THUS THE GAME MUST BE RE-BALANCED TO CATER TO ME and not the people who have been playing it and supporting it for years and years”.

I lose to lots of Chuns guys. She’s really powerful, but just because I lose doesn’t mean I want her to be nerfed so I can win a couple of more matches every once in a while. Because really that’s what a lot of fools are asking for on here and if you have any brain at all you can realize how pathetic that is.

504

It’s not exactly fair to compare one community, which has nearly half of China ALONE playing KoF games like a religion and thus are more accepting of newer versions, to another community that has probably 100-200(this doesn’t seem too far off anyway) 3S players being satisfied with one single Street Fighter game and playing THAT like a religion.

505

Well firstly, you guys do have an elitist attitude. Calm the fuck down, it’s just a video game. This tough shit attitude doesn’t do you guys any favors and encourages people to want a rebalance more to spite you. You guys are so deadset against it, you’re not even considering the possibilities. And hey, Ono is involved with it, and guess what Ono does best? He fucks around with characters. Do you honestly think Ono will leave anything alone? It’s a sad fact, and for the record I hate SF4. So wouldn’t it be better to offer something positive instead of shutting everyone down and calling them a scrub newbie even though you’ve never personally fought them and have no way of judging their abilities?

Going by your logic Colino, I’ve been been playing since 07, so my opinion is worth more than yours.

The game is going to do well obviously, even if they fuck up the netcode it’s still going to do well because it’s SF. All of the new people who played SF4 are curious about 3S. The sheep are going to buy it no matter what. We can at least try to contribute something positive.

And hey, if it offers a rebalanced version and the original version, what is there to bitch about?

506

People keep throwing around the word “elitist”, in this thread, as if to imply a derogatory meaning. 3rd Strike is a game for the elite. So, thank you for the unintentional compliment. Not to say that 3s cannot be enjoyed by all, but that’s like saying monkeys can play chess, to use a comparison an “elitist” might make. However, the point is even if there were to be a rebalanced or updated version, the ideal situation would be for those most experienced with the game to give input. Even those who know the game nearly inside and out may still have biases, they, most likely, will be less inclined to point out “glaring errors” or call for in-game changes. Experience has taught them that 3s rewards many virtues, one of them being determination.

Listen to the suggestion others have been giving about hard work. Pierrot has been playing Remy all day for 10 years. You think Pierrot actually gives a flying fuck some douchebags asked a bunch of top players to hypothetically analyze how many matches Remy would win against Chun Li, just to simplify things, so they can have a nice, neat chart for their magazine? Do you really think Pierrot believes the match up is 8-2 Chun, or even 7.5-2.5? Do you think he even puts a number on the match up for himself? A fundamental flaw in tiers many people forget far too often is that tiers are theoretical - they are subjective, abstract ideas that are impossible to prove due to an overwhelming number of qualitative variables. I’d like to think, in his own mind, Pierrot doesn’t even simplify the match up as, “this is a difficult match up because of ‘this, that, and so on’.” I’d like to think he looks at the matchup more analytically - for how he perceives it, himself. If someone who knows Pierrot could ask him as soon as he’s done playing on the live stream, that would probably help clear up a lot.

Until then, if anyone here knows more about 3rd strike than Pierrot, please, tell us how the “tiers” should be changed.

507

I think Alexander misses the point entirely.

KOF in China is like political parties in America: There are enough people to justify a split and so that different communities can live and thrive even if they are split because they have the numbers. 2 versions of 3s would split the equivalent of a neighborhood block. You don’t want to hate your neighbor. You don’t want him hating you.

Splitting a country with thousands of people, or split a city block with maybe 10?

508

Long Island Joke gave me a hard on.

This thread in a nut shell: I suck at 3s, please make my character better, and make the best character worse.

509

Who said anything about hating your neighbor? And did you honestly compare a fighting game to a political party? Again, you guys take this shit too seriously.

And again, 3S Online could include the og Arcade edition along side the rebalance, thus nullifying the bitching.

510

No, going by my logic your reading comprehension needs a serious check-up, because that’s not what I said at all.

But go ahead and keep typing up a shitstorm with your head up your ass. No intelligent person in here seems to agree with you anyways.

Exactly what I said.

511

I don’t think having a thoughtful argument over a simple disagreement is as you put it ‘typing up a shitstorm’ but to each his own.

512

Please, let’s not play THAT card. There are quite a few of us who practice this game like at 3-6 hours every day for years. There were people who would drive over one to three hours just to play at an arcade full of 3rd Strike competition. There are players who would immediately get off work at like midnight, just to go play 3S while still wearing their business suits, and keep playing until they decide to take a nap IN the arcade at 5am, only to wake up and play some more 3S. 5Star told a story of how he experienced a small sample of MOV’s 3S training schedule, and that showed just how seriously they took the game.

So please, spare us the “why so serious” nonsense. We wouldn’t be this adamant about the issue if we didn’t love the game so much.

Same thing happened with HD Remix, and it still divided the community.

513

God your just as dumb as louiscipher. Ya’ll are beating the hell out of this horse.

514

Alexander:

(1) Releasing a Rebalanced mode INSTEAD of the arcade code is pointless - it’ll divide an already tiny community.

(2) Releasing a Rebalanced mode ALONGSIDE the arcade code is pointless - it’ll divide an already tiny community.

(3) We aren’t being elitist, we’re being pragmatic - why would we want to split the few of us there already are?

(4) Even if we were being elitist, that’s not a bad thing - even though we’re nowhere near Japanese pro level, we have a deep love and respect for what the game demands of the player, and that’s why we appreciate and devour every new clip that appears on YouTube.

You really need to ask yourself WHY you play the game: are you playing for casual fun, or are you playing because you take the game as seriously as us and want to always learn more and become better?

If you’re playing for casual fun then that’s totally cool. It suggests you are an average-at-best player (that’s not an insult), and understandably you get annoyed when you come across a nasty match-up you’re not good enough to overcome. IF you’re playing for casual fun then counterpick with better characters, avoid these match-ups, avoid better players, or just stop playing against other people and stick to the CPU. Or stop playing the game full-stop. A rebalanced 3S will do nothing for you if you are this casual player, because you’re just asking for a shortcut to success that you won’t even be granted because you don’t take the game seriously enough to appreciate it on a deeper level.

If you’re playing because you take the game as seriously as us, if you love it to pieces and are striving to become better like we do, then that’s great. If you’re this player then your current skill level is irrelevant, you know you ONLY need to do three things: practise, study, and think. 3S is a crazy-deep game, and it demands that your reactions are as sharp as possible, your execution is as sharp as possible, and your knowledge and understanding of the game are as sharp as possible. If you are this player who takes the game seriously like this, like we do, then you already know and work on all this, I’m teaching you to suck eggs. And you know what the amazing thing is? 3S becomes more fun the better you get. New doors get opened for you, and your approaches to situations keeps evolving.

But I don’t think you are this second type of player. You’re asking for shortcuts to the top when you’re being tripped from the start by shoto sweeps. I’m not trying to belittle you, I’m just trying to make you understand: if you need to ask for advice about how to deal with shoto sweeps, then it’s downright RUDE of you to shout us down for being “elitist” when we clearly understand the game itself more than you. How can you complain about the top-tiers when you can’t even low-parry? It’s great that you got in to the game, but you’re playing online - lag and lack of awareness about tough match-ups will make anybody sore, and you shouldn’t let your experience of online 3S carry too much weight.

I firmly believe you have a fundamental misunderstanding of 3S. I think you want to take the game seriously, but your understanding of it is marred by a few bad match-ups and online play. It’s a hard game for most people to get their head around, and it’s taken me about three years to ‘get’ how the game works (I think I first picked it up in 2007). I’m just a scrubby player with insane amounts to learn and improve on ahead of me, but I still understand what the game wants from me. When I watch Hayao and YSB dismantle world-class Chuns and Yuns and make it look easy, that exposes all my faults as a Hugo player if I lose to people that I consider average players. Study more, practise more, think more. Have you seen the video of Hayao completing arcade mode with one hand? That shit is INSPIRING. Stop being lazy, and accept the 3S philosophy: get better or get out.

515

Damn you guys are still going at it…? In all seriousness, the post above me is way too damn long.

516

So don’t read it. It was never directed at you, and you’d know that if you’d read the very first word.

517

Common boss, do you really think i’d read something so ridiculously long on the 21st page of a dead thread? Relax, I didn’t read it, but it’s still pretty comical that you wrote that long ass post proving your point to a bunch of trolls, I guess you enjoy spoon feeding them your annoyance.

518

It wasn’t directed at you, so why would I care whether or not you read it? I can already guess what your opinion of rebalancing is.

I find it more comical that you would bother to pick me up on the length of a post in a “dead” thread (seems it’s not dead after all), as opposed to the content of it. I wasn’t annoyed, just trying to “spoon-feed” (correct) why I think his entire attitude towards 3S is ass-backwards. If spoon-feeding doesn’t work, I resort to beasting his Chun with Twelve. :wink:

519

Wow, you clearly have more free time than me to write an essay in order to trash me. Had you actually read my thread (and I’m guessing you skimmed it) you would’ve understood that shoto’s do not give me a big problem, I was simply looking for alternatives to punishing or getting over the sweep. I all ready know how to punish a blocked Sweep with let’s say Alex, by doing an EX Shoulder Rush. I was simply looking for alternatives. I don’t see how this is any different than someone posting on how to deal with Chun Li’s pokes and etc. You know, a matchup question, which I guess if you ask any matchup questions it proves you’re not hardcore.

I’m not trying to be hostile, and I don’t think I am. But at the same time I find it very amusing that if anyone disagrees with you guys, they’re immediately called a troll and accused of throwing a tantrum and shitstorming. It just looks like you guys don’t want to accept any kind of criticism, and that you refuse to believe that 3S has any flaws whatsoever. That’s the perception you’re building.

But anyway, yeah I would agree that the Jap players input would be much more interesting, and would actually be worth a damn. I’ve tried to have an open somewhat intelligent conversation, but it appears you guys don’t want that, you don’t want any debate, it’s your way or the highway. It all comes down to if Capcom/Ono is going to listen to a handful of American players, or the broader pro Jap players. I think we all know the answer to that.

That said, so long is the Online is good (can fight players coast to coast without lag) I’ll be happy to play you.

520

But most of us don’t see 3S’ “flaws” as actual flaws (ie - OP Top 3).

Every game has OP top tiers. 3S is no different.