Decision 2008: The Presidential Election Thread

[Weeks]

The biggest promoters of the War in Iraq were the media, including all the ridiculous crap leading up to the war like made-up sources that anyone could have checked and going on until well into our occupation. Neocons and members of the Bush administration literally just sent ideas to even supposedly liberal outlets like the NY Times, and they just lapped it up. If the media were so liberal or so anti-conservative, Bush wouldn’t have gotten away with any of this, but instead they were only too happy to parrot whatever nonsense was coming out of the neocons’ mouths.

Now that everyone hates Bush (deservedly so), the media isn’t afraid to run him into the ground. Big whoop. When it came time for their supposedly liberal side to come through, it didn’t, and boy howdy, it sure didn’t.

PS why didn’t you respond to my post near the top of this page?

I can’t respond to everyone.

And I don’t agree that the media gave him a unanimous ‘let’s all have a great war’ runup, although it was certainly in their best interest for us to have a war (more ratings, remember?) liberal or not.

[Weeks]

You still don’t see the point I’m trying to make: What good is a liberal media if they can’t even stop the worst republican president EVER from being elected

you’re moving goalposts. first it was ‘there’s no liberal media, that’s a republican bogeyman’

now its ‘the liberal media isn’t effective anyway’

i’m not going to have that debate with you. my position remains and hasn’t been changed: most media organizations lean to the left, and this is a function of their overwhelmingly liberal composition

[archetype]

I think we all can agree that we must purge neocons from existence.

[fishjie]

I think we all can agree that we must purge neocons from existence.

just like we should purge those hippy liberal peta pieces of shit from existence

[UltraDavid]

Can you remember anyone in the mainstream media warning us about anything bad or taking a serious and critical look at any of the evidence for the war? One of the major sources was a serial liar who flipped burgers at a Burger King, and some of the documents used as evidence for the war were obvious forgeries, but we didn’t find this stuff out until after the war and even several years later. These were things that could have been discovered easily if only the media had used a real fraction of the manpower it used on the Lewinsky nonsense for this, but instead they chose to print or broadcast nonsense from the administration and other neoconservatives like a troupe of parrots. It’s very hard to square this with the idea that the media is liberal and anti-conservative.

Edit:

it was certainly in their best interest for us to have a war (more ratings, remember?) liberal or not.

You’ve nailed it. The mainstream media as a whole isn’t about bias one way or the other, it’s about making dough.

[Higher-Jin]

you’re moving goalposts. first it was ‘there’s no liberal media, that’s a republican bogeyman’

now its ‘the liberal media isn’t effective anyway’

i’m not going to have that debate with you. my position remains and hasn’t been changed: most media organizations lean to the left, and this is a function of their overwhelmingly liberal composition

Still seems to me like you’re passive aggressively slinging mud at the democratic party. “Mr. Independent”, or whatever the fuck you supposedly are.

[Weeks]

Still seems to me like you’re passive aggressively slinging mud at the democratic party. Mr. Independent, or whatever the fuck you are.

that’s because you’re hopelessly, hopelessly partisan, as evidenced by your hyper-defensive tone, aggressive labeling, selective memory, and righteous indignation.

i didn’t even mention the Democratic party, ffs, although god knows any one of us here could sling plenty of mud at them and it would stick.

[archetype]

just like we should purge those hippy liberal peta pieces of shit from existence

Them too.

They had a liberal lady on tv saying that gas should go to like 5 bucks a gallon so people wouldnt drive so much. I wanted to reach through and slap her.

[Higher-Jin]

that’s because you’re hopelessly, hopelessly partisan, as evidenced by your hyper-defensive tone, aggressive labeling, selective memory, and righteous indignation.

i didn’t even mention the Democratic party, ffs, although god knows any one of us here could sling plenty of mud at them and it would stick.

Just because Liberal is considered a bad term now doesn’t mean that isn’t what the Democratic Party is supposed to represent. As Bill Maher once said, liberal used to mean individual rights and equal opportunity, it meant being progressive. Now when people think about liberals they think about big hairy men having sex in a dog pile, and of course the dems don’t want to be associated with that. I really doubt the liberal media in all their infinite power and wisdom would’ve thought it a good idea to spread the notion that being liberal is a bad thing.

I may be pissed off, but that’s because I’m fed up with the idiots in this country. And no, I’m not implying you’re among those people, even though I couldn’t disagree with your liberal media argument more.

P.S: How is the whole past 8 years selective memory? That’s a pretty fricking big chunk of memory!

[Panicked]

They just had a fat black lady on CNN talking about converting Atheists into believers, how there is overwhelming evidence in the existence in god, and how anyone can think otherwise is baffling towards her.

[Amordien]

Just because Liberal is considered a bad term now doesn’t mean that isn’t what the Democratic Party is supposed to represent.

I am heated with how ‘liberal’ is associated with “baby killing” or “heroin junkies” or “drug abusing handout seekers”. People have successfully demonized the term ‘Liberal’ and punkasses are too afraid to go against the grain and argue them down.

On the other hand, when people are set in believing what they want about you, there honestly isn’t shit you can say.

[Pimp_Willy]

You’ve nailed it. The mainstream media as a whole isn’t about bias one way or the other, it’s about making dough.

Ding ding ding, we have a winner.

You do realize that 6 or 7 corporations own about 90% of the media, right? It comes down to 6 or 7 people who dictate everything we see in the news. And while the majority of these people who run the companies are themselves Republican, their bottom line is simply making cash and supressing any stories that might harm their bottom line.

[Higher-Jin]

Ding ding ding, we have a winner.

You do realize that 6 or 7 corporations own about 90% of the media, right? It comes down to 6 or 7 people who dictate everything we see in the news. And while the majority of these people who run the companies are themselves Republican, their bottom line is simply making cash and supressing any stories that might harm their bottom line.

This is true, clear channel used to own them, and I believe they sold to a company called newport.

[archetype]

http://www.conservapedia.com/Main_Page

Liberapedia

lol!

The conservapedia page on obama is hilarious and the liberapedia page on john mccain is funny as hell

[Higher-Jin]

You know what? They should just settle this whole president thing in a fighting game. Single elimination, no whining. As long as the game is marvel, I think the white dude will lose.

[pherai]

Imagine how SRK would blow up if Obama was shown playing Marvel on TV. The thought had crossed my mind before, and that shit would just be toooooooo much.

[Kusanagi02]

Imagine how SRK would blow up if Obama was shown playing Marvel on TV. The thought had crossed my mind before, and that shit would just be toooooooo much.

Add in Yipes commentary and THEN it would be tooo much.

[Omega_Viscant]

http://www.conservapedia.com/Main_Page

http://liberapedia.wikia.com/wiki/Main_Page

lol!

The conservapedia page on obama is hilarious and the liberapedia page on john mccain is funny as hell

John Sidney McCain III is currently a Senator from Arizona. He is the Republican Party nominee for President, and this angers neo-conservatives because John McCain is (was) against torture and passed something called the McCain Feingold bill which limits the amount of money neoconservatives can give to Klan Dragons who run for public office.

If elected, Obama would likely become the first Muslim President, and could use the Koran to be sworn into office.[17][18] The overwhelming evidence that he is a Muslim includes:
Obama’s background and education are Muslim, and fewer than 1% of Muslims convert to Christianity.[19][20]
Obama’s middle name (Hussein) references its namesake Husayn, who was the grandson of Muhammad, which most Christians would not retain.[21]
Obama recently referred to his “Muslim faith.”[22]
Obama stated that the autobiography of Malcolm X, a Nation of Islam leader who became a Muslim, inspired him in his youth.[23]
Obama raised nearly $1 million and campaigned for a Kenyan presidential candidate who had a written agreement with Muslim leaders promising to convert Kenya to an Islamic state that bans Christianity.[24]
Obama’s claims of conversion to Christianity arose after he became politically ambitious, lacking a date of conversion or baptism.[25]
On the campaign trail Obama has been reading “The Post-American World” by Fareed Zakaria,[26] which is written from a Muslim point-of-view.[27]
Contrary to Christianity, the Islamic doctrine of taqiyya encourages adherents to deny they are Muslim if it advances the cause of Islam.
Obama uses the Muslim Pakistani pronunciation for “Pakistan” rather than the common American one.[28]
Many of Obama’s statements about religion conflict with Christianity, leading one group to demonstrate with a 7-part video series, “Why Barack Obama is Not a Christian.”[29]
Obama was thoroughly exposed to Christianity as an adult in Chicago prior to attending law school, yet no one at law school saw him display any interest in converting. Obama unabashedly explained how he became “churched” in a 2007 speech: “It’s around that time [while working as an organizer for the Developing Communities Project (DCP) of the Calumet Community Religious Conference (CCRC) in Chicago] that some pastors I was working with came around and asked if I was a member of a church. ‘If you’re organizing churches,’ they said, ‘it might be helpful if you went to a church once in a while.’ And I thought, ‘I guess that makes sense.’”[30]
Obama downplays his Islamic background by claiming that his Kenyan Muslim father was a “confirmed atheist” before Obama was born, but in fact less than 1% of Kenyans are atheists, agnostics or non-religious.[31] There is apparently no evidence of any Christian activities or local church participation by Obama while he was in Massachusetts from 1988 to 1991. Finally, Obama abruptly left his church in Chicago in 2008 when it became politically controversial, without first finding another church to join.
Obama claimed to have visited 57 states while campaigning for president of the United States, which of course has only 50 states.[32] He could never explain where the false number of 57 came from, but it has been observed that there are 57 Islamic states and Obama was educated at an Islamic grade school while he lived in an Islamic country.[33]

…seriously.

[UltraDavid]

Haha the funniest thing is that Conservapedia was intended to be a serious thing and Liberapedia was intended as a spoof of how crazy Conservapedia is, and yet Conservapedia actually still sounds crazier.

[General_Deamond]

Go fuck yourself. I’m sick of the idea that all liberals have to be politically correct and cordial while there’s a big red stinking elephant in the room. If you’re conservative and bash liberals that’s somehow okay and we really shouldn’t say anything about that because we’re the “pussy party”? Fuck that. Weeks came in here with that bullshit statement about the liberal media, and I made sure to point out it IS a bull shit statement.

Also yes, your party’s back bone is composed primarily of religious, right wing zealots that are fucking up the country for everyone. (Just look at who’s at the rallies) That’s true and I’m not going to ignore that fact to make you feel better. In fact I’m throwing it right in your hostile little face to try and make you feel worse. Because you should. Your party is a fucking joke. Klansmen and evangelicals shouldn’t have a significant voice in government, SORRY, and the fact they make up so fucking much of this country makes me sick to my fucking stomach.

If you’re really not like them, then cut them off. Don’t support a candidate who incites them like McCain. If not then you have little room to complain when you get lumped with the rest of them.

So I call you out on your incredibly asinine post and you respond with “Go fuck yourself”. You need to work on your people skills. And for the record I wasn’t being “hostile” with my post, I was just asking if people actually believed in what you wrote (some replied courteously :tup:) and then you took it upon yourself to insult me even though you know nothing about me or my political views. I only said your post was (and still is) stupid, not you as an individual.