Can’t Superman outrun the Flash or something? If so, the fact he can beat the Flash at his own game dumbfounds me.
Superman should be nerfed.
lol no, flash is more faster than superman, flash can run at the light speed, but its dangerous for him
Batman >>>>> Superman
Fact :razz:
I always figured Batman was like Captain America in that he is at the very peak of physical fitness and ability without technically being superhuman.
Batman is usually written like that and if he was in Marvel, like Daredevil and other heroes he would be listed as that. But technically Captain America is superhuman, he peaks a little above most guys like Daredevil, Hawkeye and others without going into Hank McCoy (Beast) type levels of strength or agility.
Cool. I actually don’t follow the comics too closely, so my knowledge is limited. 
Hated the first, didn’t see the second.
Your title is misleading.
If Obama were only black because people repeatedly insisted that he was black, then you’d have a point.
Batman’s traits are beyond what can reasonably be defined as human. I carefully explained this. You did not carefully read it.
Incorrect. In fact, your argument is a perfect illustration of the flaws in the modern superhero genre mentality. It’s why superheroes have been in the toilet ever since the big revitalization of the 1960s regrettably burned itself out.
Nobody knows what superheroes are for anymore, so they endlessly repeat the same outlandish action story forms–usually involving various permutations of physical conflict with villains who are mainly differentiated from the good guys by being ever-so-slightly more violent and psychologically fucked up than the heroes they fight.
Fortunately for the big publishing houses, they can rely on a handful of flagship characters who lend themselves well to that kind of story. It keeps their shitty comics afloat year after year on an ongoing stream of drivel that ranges from barely acceptable to hilarious dogshit that can’t be judged on any terms but its own. Batvillain X comes to town. Batman has a series of run-ins with him, and victory eventually ensues after Batman brings in one of his usual deus ex machina displays of gadgetry and nigh-omniscience. There might be a twist added to the story, but it will play itself out as an irrelevant gimmick that will be written out by next year. Yawn.
Superman does not fit into this kind of situation, because he–as many observers have noted–does not lend himself well to slugfest-type stories. He’ll win every time. Where the observers have their heads up their asses is in assuming that slugfest-type stories are the only types of stories that can or should be told with superheroes. Perhaps Superman is a boring and shitty character if you insist, like so many people do, on forcing him into that tiny conception of what a superhero story can be. On those terms, Dr. Manhattan is the most boring and uninteresting superhero in the history of the genre. (And yet he isn’t. How can this possibly be? He’s unbeatable, right?)
Know why All Star Superman was so popular? The creative team had the unmitigated gall to explore the character. Yeah, some superpowered baddies came to town and got tough, but that wasn’t the point. That wasn’t what the story was about. ASS is proof positive of the wealth of potential story material present in the Superman myth. His alien heritage and his Godlike powers stand in stark conflict with what he wants out of his life. It isn’t thhe character’s fault that the people who make and buy shitty superhero comics are too narrow-minded to imagine him doing anything other than meeting bad guys in battle for the thousandth time.
Do yourself a favor and think of the most legendary superhero stories of all time. Does what makes them interesting boil down to whether or not the hero can pull through in the end and beat the villain in physical combat? (Hint: the answer is, “Not fucking likely.”)
Don’t people always shit on Jeph Loeb for doing mindless shit? Nobody wants that garbage, but nobody wants a boring fucking story either. The best stories find a balance. Hearing that superman really just a farmboy from Kansas at heart or Spider-Man going over the great power/great responsibility thing for the 100,000th time isn’t much better than Red Hulk running around and randomly beating people up.
What you’re saying makes it sound like a dichotomy: that either you’re talking about Superman growing up on the farm or Superman knocking Mongul’s teeth out, with the only other option being to mix and match elements of the two. Again, this is putting a character in a box that doesn’t necessarily fit. They might be the two most common choices that writers make, but that’s all.
And Jeph Loeb did the farm boy thing with Superman For All Seasons. All I can say is that it had the level of subtlety you’d expect from him.
Semantics. Point being, nobody considers the dude white. He is obviously “not white” as opposed to black.
Which part would that be? Where you tried to substitute lots of words and sounding cool in lieu of plain fact?
Ya he has traits beyond what we define as normal, cuz he’s a badass and a champion at life. Welcome to comics, buddy.
Regardless of whatever medium he’s in supes (and most if not all comic book heroes) is at his best when being confronted by a threat that can affect him to the point of making him seem human this is done by pitting him against a villain who can take him on at the physical level or someone who can fuck with the foundation of what makes him tick. What made joker such a compelling villain in TDK was his ability to simultaenously impede on batman’s inability to be everywhere at once and his moral convictions, in returns we didn’t get that it was just supes fighting inanimate objects BORING!
Also was I the only one who laughed at how he was able to pickup a continent of kryptonote? isn’t the 616 version supposed to lose his powers and feel pain at being within a few feet of a small piece? lol.
Superman Returns was underrated.
Death and Return of Superman is money, but repetitive.
Oh well, sure would’ve been nice to see Superman vs. Doomsday. On that note and slightly off topic, too bad they won’t make a Hulk movie where he fights Juggernaut. =/
He has a point Batman been written with so much deus ex machina to the point he has superpowers dude can go blow for blow with Bane and Killer Croc sometimes villians who are notable for their superhuman strength.
Also the problems with Superman is that they cannot find a relevant enough foe who has the brains strength , back story, and interesting motives that can hold together a plot for 2 hours. Lex is great but his super genius and plots can only go so far. If we had darkseid in a trilogy storyline it would be great . They need to keep up the theme of Escalation like in the Batman movies Superman should fight increasingly more difficult opponents through out the trilogy. Start out with Intergang and Metallo then Parasite and finally Darkseid.
Intergang gets supplied with crazy cyborg tech from darkseid on the low so he can start a proxy war on earth. In the second movie the remaining tech gets used to try to create a replacement for superman rudy jones a crappy janitor gets exposed to said technology and ends up becoming a being that needs to sap the energy of stronger and more complex life forms the most powerful on earth superman eventually becomes a prime target. After beating Parasite an emissary from Apokolips shows up and says superman is guilty of destroying apokoliptian property Parasite he says the coming of Darkseid is inevitable . Darkseid comes to earth after realizing his best warriors can’t beat supes so basically he gotsa to do the job epic battle insues Supes beats him at his very limits without killing. Justice League shows up in the end saying you should informed us if you needed help then a dark cloud passes over showing the justice league tower overhead ominously looking down at him.
I get the point. It’s “like” he has superpowers cuz he gets away with so much shit. Yes. Despite the rumors, it IS actually a comic. Batman is not technically defined as having any type of superpower, nor is he assumed to have any because of the shit he’s pulled/gotten away with.
But if you wanna go the “it’s like he has them” route, I will somewhat agree. Thus…
we have reached an impasse.
I definitely understand what you mean, but it’s hard to explain what I’m saying.
They both are comic book characters and both have been given certain traits by their writers. Saying ‘If he didn’t have XXX he would be weak’ can be said of any single character in any comic. It’s irrelevant because they DO have what they have, and that can’t be changed.
Like I could say The Punisher (a character I really like) would be nothing without his Military training, tours in Vietnam and his incredible intelligence and brilliant strategic mind. Thats true, but he DOES have all that stuff, thats what makes him the Punisher.
Overall though, I kinda agree with goodm0urning with regards to Batman. I’m no expert but I’ve read a handful of Batman comics (Killing Joke, Year One, Long Halloween, Hush, DKR) and I have to agree that he does have some very implausible (if not, impossible) skills and luck.
That doesn’t mean he’s a bad character of course!
I was going to ask you earlier, since you seem to certainly know Superman, what other Supes comics would you suggest as being really good?
I’ve only read All-Star which I really enjoyed (and probably why I like Superman more than most people) so what others are similar, or of high quality?
Of coarse.
1: He trained his ass off
2: It’s a comic
What fun would it be if he got smacked around left and right cuz he doesn’t have superpowers, though…he has been smacked around which solidifies my point even more.
Bane damn near killed his ass.
Oh yeah, like I said, I didn’t mean to say that makes him any less of a character, Long Halloween and DKR are two of the best comics I’ve ever read.
Just that he does seem to have “powers” beyond what a human could have is all I mean.