I’m a spy from the Strider army sent to collect data so we can complain about Ouroboros being a lvl 3 while Vergil gets away with it as a level one. ^___^
TO THE STRIDER THREAD, AWAYYYYYYYYY
except that no one can tell until the game/guide is released. Pretty sure none of the trailers showed Dante’s bold canceling or OTG shenanigans. Not to mention that they probably haven’t shown all his moves. And now that I think about it, Dante only has two hard knockdown moves: j.S and Hammer. And hammer can only be combo’d into with prop shredder, teleport canceling, and/or bold canceling. Weirdly enough, Vergil’s j.S doesnt seem to cause flying screen, meaning he can combo off of it no matter where he is.
EDIT: They do show a bold cancel but only into a volcano xx tiger-knee’d revolver
Wait… Vergil has an airdash?
FUCK YOU DANTE! 
The airdash might only be accessible in DT.
meant to say soft knockdown instead of hard knockdown. must be tired. i thought it was granted that this is just speculation lol…
anyway, seems like upper slash automatically teleports you down, may be a part of the special, so you can’t OTG with it and cancel to super.
ground teleport goes up, instead of going to the ground (confused it with cross up teleport in corner, looked the same lol). likely that 3rd air teleport is ground below you or above them
… has a wall jump
Is there even any footage of Vergil firing the summon swords as lockdown projectiles? Because it looks more like a shorter round harvest that sticks to him instead of firing at the oppon - WAIT, TRISH IS THE NEW STRIDER!1!11
Has it been confirmed whether or not you can gain meter while in a special state? If so, get ready for combo DT xx DT combos.
I must have this game now! All the combo possibilities going through my head
Dante BC -> volcano -> airplay -> prop shredder -> hammer -> cold shower xx stinger BC DT xx DT -> Vergil combo
or cold shower xx stinger BC Million Carats xx DT xx DT -> Vergil air combo -> j.S -> OTG combo
DAMMIT CAPCOM I HAVE COMBOS TO PRACTICE!!!
Thanks, i may change the av due to vergil. Strider/Vergil. I can imagine how beast Vergil/Haggar will be with that “Swordoborrus” super… i don’t think capcom needs to touch Strider’s orbs… i still stick with the opinion of raising strider’s health to atleast 50+ pts… but whatever. I’m this close to removing Dante or Zero for Vergil.
Vergil wasn’t gaining meter doing DT in the Ironfist gameplay video.
This is the real question: after Spiral Swords hyper, can you tag him out and then use him as a assist…and still have the Spiral Swords appear around him? If so, that’d be SICK AS FUCK.
i know what u mean about the sleep thing but arent soft knockdowns when they roll out? if so I dont see how thats a bad thing and im pretty sure I his teleport cross Doom up while he was on the ground and it teleported him to the ground. I’m starting to think his teleport is a special as well as a combo extension (like how some of Jill’s moves put her in feral state or w/e) because everytime i see him use that Stinger-like move, he teleports and the only time he didnt was when he canceled it into his lvl3
yea there is, he does it to Ryu
yep. in clusters for meter or one by one, like ouro.
But they’re not passive. You can see he clearly has start up to firing the projectiles where he waves his hand. Literally the entire premise of orbs is that they passively fire while you are simultaneously able to rushdown with normals. Other wise, it’s just a projectile with a teleport… that doesn’t seem to track…
Vergil has 5 moves with exact same function as Dante
no comparison to Dante
Vergil has one move that doesn’t actually do what orbs do
Vergil is the new Strider
Lol, don’t want to rain on your parade, but you’re doing it again SRK. Just sayin’.
On a positive note, thank fuck they want for the second battle theme. Both Iron Fist and Vergil have blazin’ themes and sick win screens.
FWIW, it’s still a level 1 and his teleport is at least slightly faster than Strider’s. didn’t notice if it deals chip damage though but the startup (for the sword ring to appear) seems instantaneous, or at the most 2 frames. that move has the potential for some really nasty shit off a hard knockdown, looks like.
why are people saying his sword hyper builds meter when it doesnt? the vid against ryu he has 4 bars and about 60%, when he changes the swords to shoot them he has 2 bars and about 60%. you can plainly see in that combo he does with the swords out it DOESNT BUILD METER.
I think it’s confirmed that Strider has the best teleports. Vergil’s sword thing has a fast time limit, the damage isn’t so scary too in comparison to Strider’s orbs (potentially). So i’m not all upset about this Strider-Vergil issue. Strider’s orbs are fine as it is, it’s fucking fast, lasts long, and goes all over the place. It’s excellent at all ranges, while vergil needs to get close and the damage isn’t as devastating.
depends on your taste in 'ports really. Strider’s is hella good, tracking and is a hard knockdown if you hit them out of the air, but I’m not too sure if you can follow up with a combo after that. Strange’s on the other hand, is just insulting. “lol Doom you trying to zone me with plasma beam? lolnope illusion”
The orbs and Swords thing
Vergil’s sword super is like Spiral’s dancing swords with the MVC2 orb properties. If you watch, vergil can shoot his swords just like spiral could, and it looks like they’ll eventually disappear when he throws them all out and when he collides with the opponent.
Strider has a time bar, and can shoot shit as much as he wants until it runs out. So, technically… Vergil’s swords are seriously cool but still < Strider’s orbs. Strider’s orbs dishes out more damage and he also has a long time meter…
just for those Strider guys who are getting jealous. They are both solid in different ways.
Edit: In short, i see Vergil like the new Spiral.
yea i dont understand people who are saying they are like striders orbs because they arent really at all.
anyone else concerned about Vergils teleports? if you check out this video
at around the 30 second mark when he is comboing magneto, after the stinger, it looks like a bold teleport behind him, but it doesnt correct the direction he is facing, so he ends up coming behind mags facing completely the wrong way. If that was a real match you would be asking for a punish doing stuff like that.
edit: i think he is definatly designed to be an anchor character if he really does need to be in DT to use his level 3 (which sucks)
I might be talking out my ass since I haven’t actually played a build yet, but Im sure Ouros are still clearly better compared to this super. Seth said it would be straight up overpowered if it was a level 1 so the possibilities should be way bigger. Can’t you shoot one Ring + Teleport for a 50/50 for example + chip IDK lol.
The sword super does look good but it doesn’t really seem to add any extra danger to Vergil attacks apart from DMG, where as I could see Strider really getting crazy especially with an assist. Although V. can also use it to protect himself im guessing ,so its def. not bad
Also doesn’t Dr. Strange have the best teleports (At least in terms of recovery + distancing)? His look CRAZY fast + Seth said it was pretty much instant. + his positioning is amazing from what ive seen.
@Robo: Just cause Vergil has some moves Dante has doesn’t mean they play similar though. His super alone could make his playstyle a good bunch different. Like how Ryu & Akuma aren’t similar just cause they both have FB’s…SRKS…Tatsus. Im not saying they aren’t though, one said it best, Vergil/Dante is like Ryu/Ken.