Dan Strategies and Match-ups

Sakura can play defensive? :wink: Well, I guess c.HP can keep people out…

I don’t wind up playing a lot of Sakuras, simply because there’s not a lot out there, but I guess I can offer some insight based on my own personal tendencies, which may or may not mesh up well with other Dans.

Against Sakura, I’m not in a big rush to get inside and stay inside. She’s not a great zoning character, so I can backdash away from her at my leisure to taunt or set up a new approach. Some characters, like Ryu/Sagat/Gouken, Dan wants to get in on and stay in on because it’s a pain to approach them, but against characters without zoning tools (like Sakura, M. Bison or Zangief) Dan can dart in and out of range easily with his dash to confuse the opponent and keep them off-guard.

Once I am inside and putting on pressure, the Knee of Justice (Er, LK Danku, Sakura players might not know the terminology) will beat or evade almost anything she does on wakeup when done close. Using this, Dan can start up a frame trap pressure game of repeated normals into Knees to chip away, and eventually hit Sakura when she fails to block. A well-timed and well-spaced throw can disrupt this, or an EX Shouken (or however it’s spelled), but if the Shouken is baited out you’re looking at a nasty punishment combo. Dan will use this sequence to force you back into the corner, where things get really dangerous. Try not to get cornered.

There’s lots of generic sheDanigans as well, but those work on everyone for the most part. Blocked Dankus into throw/Koryuken/backdash mixup. MK Danku after knocking you down to cross up into a throw/Koryuken/backdash mixup. I don’t know if the standing LK Danku can cross up and hit Sakura like it can hit Akuma/Vega and others, but if it can, it’s something to be aware of even if there’s really very little you can do to stop it. As a poke, I’m pretty sure Dan’s s.MK outranges all of Sakura’s normals, so keep an eye out for it. It doesn’t combo into anything, so it’s not hugely dangerous, just something to watch if for some reason a footsie game breaks out.

There’s not really a lot else I can offer, unfortunately. Most of Sakura’s high-level game that I’ve seen is based around EX Tatsu combos leading to resets and lots of stun damage. That’s something where you simply have to play smart and watch the meters, and avoid being hit at the wrong times. It’s similar to the Dan matchup against Honda in that respect, where Dan can go all-out when Honda has no meter because then he has nothing that beats the Knee, but when he gets meter Dan has to play it a bit more safe and bait out the EX moves so he can go on the offensive again. I guess that leads me to one last note of caution. When the Knee of Justice is used well, there’s a lot of meter denial at work. Dan will build his EX meters very quickly with the Knee chains, while the opponent’s meter gain is very limited unless they can break out and muster some offense. Sakura really depends on her meter, so you have to be careful to avoid/escape the Knee lockdown, or else a lot of your options are going to be denied.

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I’d say Sakura’s s.HK has about the same range as Dan’s s.MK but is a bit slower, her c.MK has pretty good for reach and combos nicely into Shououken but with the help of Gadouken I think Dan just about wins the poke wars.

Dan Knee should pop over Sakura after back throw considering she is a small character, I really should make a list of which characters it does that for :stuck_out_tongue:

Thanks Dan users and Sugami! I’ve added this info to our notes so we can devise strategies and such!

I wish I had something to add but I rarely face Sakura.

Seriously, would someone be treated so well in any character specific forum other than that of the Saikyo master?

They’re plotting to beat our Saikyo-spirit (and I’m also part of them :P)! The Saikyo-spirit will never die! Viva la resistance! I mean, long live Saikyo!

Once again Dan is teaching Sakura.

I hope I’m getting paid for this help. A few lunches should do.

Hehe, I guess you owe me lunch kiddo.

how do i handle an OFFENSIVE sakura? is there a defensive kind? cuz seriously, ocne evo came out and people saw the sakura mixup i have encountered nothin but heavy offensive sakuras.
I eat them for lunch, its my best matchup on both charachters.
she dosent have full screen fireballs , has the same jump and speed, a far worse dash and backdash, and we have a better reversal.
oh and did I mention dan has better stamina… AND a more powerful and easier to combo into super.
and I wont even begin to talk about ultras… since we have 2nd best ultra in the game.

I actually find the match up to be as lopsided as Ryu vs Sagat. where as the only thing that makes sakura players better is they have advanced their Sakura technology further and have a larger fanbase to find out the tricks… and half the dan playerbase are people who dont want to win and just want to have fun playing.

I know I have fun playing against other g2 Sakuras… lots of fun
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What a crappy Sakura :stuck_out_tongue:

Sakura’s dashes are pretty good, think her back-dash is 3rd or 4th fastest in game, forward dash is a ninja dash! :stuck_out_tongue:

Her non-charged Hadouken are practically full screen but generally too slow to be all that useful as a zoning tool, EX versions don’t dissipate. I still find Gadouken a more useful tool.

I’d say the match-up is pretty even, both characters want to get up close and personal and both have some good rush-down options so the game probably goes to whoever gets some momentum behind them first.

Everyone wants to win, Dan or otherwise :stuck_out_tongue: Just that Dan players don’t mind losing as much as the tier whores and such :stuck_out_tongue:

Anyone seen the Sakura Bow? It has a thread on the Sakura sub-forums.

(To the uninformed, it when two Sakuras face each other on a match, at the beginning of round 1, they jump back, and taunt)

Anyway, I was about to play vs Sakura the other night, we both jumped backed and taunted (I used Dan of course). Sakura definitely is a Saikyo student.

El Fuerte is making soup if naybody wants it! We’re trying to see if we can get Akuma to teach Sakura now because Dan is too heavily focused on the death of his father. R.I.P.

Dan has something far more epic. An unspoken rule that gets honoured from time to time.

On numerous occasions when I meet a Dan player for the first time in Championship mode, we run around and taunt until be both lose from Timeout.

But yes, I try to Bow to any Sakuras I meet. They deserve the respect. XD

Lol, I wonder why Sakura hangs with Dan and Blanka… does anyone know the storyline of why?

Well from what I heard her relationship with Dan in SF4 is inspired by Sakura Ganbaru, she had no ties with him at all in the Alpha games (neither character had the other as a boss or mini-boss or whatever).

Going by the manga, she bumps into him in Japan (near where she lives) and recognised some of his moves as being similar to Ryu’s and asks for him to (help) train her (whilst recognising that he still is pretty weak :P).

Dan obviously sees himself as a sensei/master to Sakura but Sakura’s views are more of a sparring partner and friend, she still has great respect for the man :tup: I think Dan might also see himself as somewhat a father-figure to her too :slight_smile:

where does blanka fall in then? does dan help him find his mom, because thas what it like like from the cut scenes in SF4

So, it seems the Abel matchup has once again tipped slightly more in Dan’s favour. After some experimenting I figured out that off of any semi-deep j.MK or any x-up.MK, Dan can combo any Gadouken into a Focus Attack crumple. I’m guessing it’s been known for some time, but for those who didn’t know (Like myself), it’s a nice little tidbit to keep in mind, since Abel’s wakeup is so terrible. :smiley:

http://forums.shoryuken.com/showpost.php?p=7660979&postcount=229

Blanka apparently saved Dan’s life before the event of Street Fighter Alpha, but we don’t know in what circumstances.

He was probably trying to be Sagat and fighting a bear or something and nearly got killed. Of course he was merely letting his guard down to test the bear’s strength, but poor Blanka didn’t realise this and jumped into ‘save’ our legendary hero!

Alright gaiz.

Break down the Dhalsim matchup for me. Why is this a 5-5 and how do I counter him?