thats only K hibiki where are the other hibikis? ive never seen a hibiki win outside of K or A and your 1 N hibiki
I dont have anything to say about bison I havent seen much of him outside of A but I still think hes still decent even with out bison I still manage to name a bunch that are over hibiki
I guess your right about the chun but K Ryu ive seen plenty of times, and im sorry but nobody plays S period but if someone did Ryu would probably be a good choice considering you cant go wrong with shotos, A is worthless
P, N, and K vega arent trash especially P
Vega is a better character than hibiki in every groove except maybe K lol
The really funny thing here, is that just about every character is usable in C and K. What it really seems to get down to is which characters are also good in A, N, & P.
Thanks for the feedback. I love Vega, his feel, and his play. I guess what I’m having trouble with is getting in my pokes when being rushed down myself. I’m not consistent with RC, so I don’t use it in comp.
I find I turtle, get a few hits in and die, cause I keep getting countered on stuff like c.mp or I get killed on jump-ins. I’ll keep a hold of Vega for a little longer, maybe work an abnormal team line-up Sagat/Claw/R2-Blanka (anchor/battery/user)?
it’s supposed to be battery, user, anchor. c vega with meter is not a real threat so the bar is wasted on him. vega first is always a good idea. take your pick as to who’s second and third. they’re both solid, but if it was me, i’d play sagat last. too easy to land a super where blanka has a lot tougher time.
and if your vega is getting rushed down, you need to keep practicing with him. his whole game is keeping you out and forcing you to do something stupid to get to him. watch better players use vega and see how they use his pokes to push the opponent out and the rolling ball thing to work guard and chip. he’s really not that difficult to use.
C-vega/guile/blanka is iffy IMO because its two batteries (technically could be seen as 3 but w/e). You dont have anyone ready to deal damage with a low short unless you have a charge. Id replace vega or guile (please vega, theres too many vegas as it is) for a good C user like chun, ken, rugal, or make blanka your user and put sagat as an anchor.
I know the strat is battery/user/anchor, but sometimes I think people just say this because everyone says it. That strat works great for A, but the more I play the weaker it seems for the other grooves. C and N can work strong under more offensive strats. Frankly, N sitting on a full meter is stupid. C sitting at 3 bars also seems like a waste, most of the time. Ideally you want that 2 bar super cancel, and you want it over and over again. I know that you do more damage when your sitting on 3 bars, but I’d rather have that lvl 2 super hit any day.
As far as Vega not being first, that is mostly a match-up choice. Vega does well against certain characters like Sagat, who hardly ever shows up before the middle spot. So by putting Sagat then Vega I give myself a interesting character counter. I can build and use Sagat’s meter, than try to maintain any lead I have with Vega, while building bar for Blanka.
So, the point of this team was to build meter with Vega, and then get Guile’s lvl 2 rush down super cancel. In practice, yeah, it doesn’t work out.
I agree that Sagat is a good anchor, that’s why I’m trying to relearn him. But for me Sagat is stronger with bar, and Blanka is stronger with a R2. I mean I guess I could go 1-2-1, then Sagat would have bar and R2. I don’t want to go that way just yet though.
As far as Chun, Ken, Rugal, I’ve tried them all and none of them is as good for me as Vega or Guile. Frankly I’m stronger with Iori, Kyo, or Hibiki than with those other guys, and could easily put any of them in the battery spot.
So, yeah I’m replying to myself. After thinking it over, Hibiki makes more sense for my team, and I’m going to try out C-Hibiki/Sagat/R2-Blanka. I think that turtling with Hibiki will be easier, and she feels like more of a battery to me than Vega.
that strat works for any groove with stored meter. period. it’s the reason chun is always the 2nd character. she can basically kill you with one touch because she has full bar. people don’t say it because it’s cool. it’s a fact.
and sitting on the bar doesn’t mean holding it so you can do a level 3. it means you save it until you get the opportunity to do whatever combo does the most damage at a certain point in a match utilizing the bar.
as for using hibiki first, not a bad idea. she has the goods to beat a lot of the cast but i think she’s ok at best in c groove.
I guess, cause I’m just consciously becoming aware of some things that have been in my head , that what I feel is that if you take C-Blanka and C-Sagat, use the same ratio and give them both the same meter, Sagat is stronger.
What I mean is on some level exactly what someone else already said: that Sagat lands his supers easier than Blanka.
So I’ve basically been running with that 1 idea in the new team formation. Meaning either I want Sagat to be the User, or I want him Anchor with possible Battery backing.
I guess I see 3 good abnormal Sagat centric team ideas:
Sagat/Battery/User-Anchor
This team is basically like the Vega team idea, get a good lead and hold it. The difference being that form this formation Sagat is free to user his supers. I’d say that this is porbably the hardest team to form, cause you need a good anchor-user at the end. Probably something like Sagat/Blanka/XXX, where you choose 1 of the following: Cammy, Chun, Ken.
Battery/Sagat/Anchor
This is the team I’m playing around with. Here it feels like there is more possiblity for comebacks, because if the battery dies Sagat can clean-up. I have tried out Hibiki and like her in this team, because I feel she build bar like crazy and doesn’t need to use it. This team can also lead to things like Blanka/Sagat/Cammy
Anchor/Battery/Sagat
This team exactly like the one above, but with Sagat at the end with R2. Sagat is the final defense on this team and you should have full bar to destroy anyone that comes his way. The hard part here, is that you would want someone strong, with good supers, and that builds bar up front. I don’t know of many characters like that, and the only ones I can think of are Honda and maybe Cammy. Rolento might also work in the front (I don’t really know).
Remember those are all abnormal formation centered around 1 character: Sagat. Those design can probably work for any character with a similar design, like a Cammy centric team.
The funniest thing after all this, is that I’m left wondering why people don’t use Sagat as an A groove battery. I know thet A-ARE is Blanka up front, but I’m seeing that less and less. I see Vega, and sometimes Honda, but I’m now suprised I don’t see any A-Sagat/Sakura/R2 Bison(dic) teams. Is it that he just doesn’t build bar fast enough?
Lots of posts there but it’s cool ^^ Not everyone blindly accepts the top-tier formations at first, but as you think it out, you ultimately end up there. That being said, I think your path should follow one of two ways:
Option 1: If you are sticking with blanka as an anchor, switch to A-Groove. It’s the best, and it’s easy. No problems utilizing meter here. You are(were) interested in Vega, so your foot is already 2/3rds into the dark side!
OR
Option 2: Train sagat to be your anchor. For the reasons you gave above.
Since you’re already pro-blanka as an anchor and your sagat is new, option 1 seems best for you. “Best” meaning “Least work”.
anywhere you put sagat, he can clean house. he’s a great battery, anchor, and user. but it depends on the strength of your game. for instance, if your sagat sucks, put him 2nd and since you’re more comfortable with blanka, put him last. and remember, it’s not like it has to be permanent. you can always switch between blanka or sagat as an anchor depending on the match up. though honestly, both characters are great choices, with sagat getting the thumbs up based on the fact that he has a lot more options with meter than blanka does (assuming your playing c groove of course).
just make sure to keep hibiki first no matter what. only buktooth can pull that r2 hibiki shit off.
A-Sagat vs A-Vega for the front spot is an interesting debate.
I think A-Vega wins when it comes to “ease of use”…
A-Sagat linking into lvl-1 supers is harder, but it’s still intelligent use of meter… Bah, I’m just guessing here. Does he have good customs? I am A-Groove challenged =P
I think the biggest reason you don’t see A-Sagat, is because A-Vega is his best groove, while for Sagat it’s not.
and i dont see why more hibiki players dont anchor her, she’s got all the good traits of an anchor: good matches against most other common anchors, great defense, great comeback potential, good no-meter and with-meter game, etc
A lot of times if your using A-Sagat as battery, your going to either face a character that can use his meter better, or someone in another groove that will be able to use Lvl2/3 supers when sagat can’t use his.
Not to mention that a lot of the good A-groove chars can use their bar and build it back up to a good level before they die anyway, so they don’t need a battery.