Cvs2- Iori

[ben]

*Originally posted by spyderse *
**I wonder if this combo would work ima try it tell me if its effective and give more tips on iori’s different groove capabilities and combos

run-c.lp. c.lk . hcb.lp hcb.lp . shory **

combo won’t work. running won’t make a difference, and iori’s rekkas (which are qcb fyi) don’t have juggle capabilities - it should be noted that orochi iori’s fierce rekkas DO have some juggle ability though.

[Gandido]

*Originally posted by ben *
**

combo won’t work. running won’t make a difference, and iori’s rekkas (which are qcb fyi) don’t have juggle capabilities - it should be noted that orochi iori’s fierce rekkas DO have some juggle ability though. **

Actually, the third hit of the Rekka’s IS a juggle with normal Iori. The second hit apparently sets up a phase juggle, and the last hit counts as a juggle. You can even test this because of you try to OTG Rolento with a Scum Gale in A-groove after this combo, try ending the custom as this: scum gale (meter ends), s.fierce xx fierce rekkas. If you notice, it counted the last hit on the first set of Rekkas as the last hit possible in the juggle phase. However, by OTG’ing Rolento with the Scum Gale, it counts another juggle, and the potential is set to -1. When you try and do the second Rekkas in the end of the custom, the second Rekka fixes the juggle potential to zero, and the last hit of the Rekkas WHIFFS.

But still, that combo that he was mentioning will not work unless you are playing Orochi Iori, this playing in the home version.

[ben]

I stand corrected.

well I was right about the orochi iori part at least.

[System_1]

it’s been a while since i’ve played iori, but i think that he’s definately one of the best characters in CVS2… too bad he gets own by blanka for free… but here’s a couple of Iori combos that i use… i hope that this helps out a little… if not, i’m sorry…

mainly basic stuff

-c.lk x 3, 3 rekkas (bnb) and does more damage then his level one maiden masher
-c.lk x 2, c.fp, 3 rekkas
-crossover lk, c.lp, c.lk, 3 rekkas
-s.fp, 3 rekkas
-s.fp, HCB+K
-command grab, s.mp x 2, 3 rekkas

i actually played iori in both C and A grooves… but he’s a couple C-groove supers… i won’t bother telling the A-groove supers cause i’m sure that everyone has seen them…

-c.lk x 3, maiden masher
-c.lk x 3, level 2 maiden masher xx HCB+K xx maiden masher
-crossover lk, c.lp, c.lk, level 2 maiden masher xx HCB+K xx maiden masher
-level 1 seven wine cups (i think that’s the name of the super) xx into command throw xx level 2 maiden masher xx fp dragon punch

hmmmmmmmm, that’s pretty much all that i can think of…

chono

[CrazyDazed]

*Originally posted by Chono *
**-c.lk x 3, level 2 maiden masher xx HCB+K xx maiden masher
**

Uhh, are you sure?

[Lv.32_Z-Ism_Rose]

*Originally posted by Chono *
**
-level 1 seven wine cups (i think that’s the name of the super) xx into command throw xx level 2 maiden masher xx fp dragon punch
**

As far as I know, you cant even throw them when they are stunned by the wine cup super since they are in hitstun the whole time. I’ve tried normal throws and the scum gale and one will grab the opponent
the only C combo I can think of is
-Jump in roundhouse, st. strong, ->+strong, lv2 Maiden Masher, lv1 wine cup super, jumpi in rounghouse, st. strong, ->+strong, fierce dp (if in corner), or rekkasX3

[CrimsonDisaster]

C Iori combos:
Whatever, L2 Maiden Masher, fierce DP.

You can’t combo a HCB+K grab into a Maiden Masher outside of a CC.

Pointless remark, but it’s Eight Wine Glasses.

Also, just wondering: Is Iori’s DP cancel faster than Kyo’s? Because when I try to do his CC like Kyo’s, I always mess up. Which limits me to his roundhouse CC. Good thing I can end it with the pillar, DP, or the damage would suck.

[System_1]

C Iori combos:

I think that Iori’s is faster…, i don’t have any bases from this assumption except that when i use Iori’s DP as a wake-up, it always seems to hit, but for some reason, i can never use Kyo’s DP as a wakeup. Maybe that just has to do with the invincibilty frames, but i’m not totally sure. If Kyo’s DP does have invincibilty frames on it, then it must be that Iori’s is faster, but i;m not totally sure if it does. I’m alost positive that almost all DP moves have invinicbilty frames except for Rugals genocide cutter.

Does anyone know what/who’s special moves have invinicbilty frames?, besides from level 2 and 3 supers of coarse?

[System_1]

C Iori combos:

*Originally posted by rallykupo *
**I think that Iori’s is faster…, i don’t have any bases from this assumption except that when i use Iori’s DP as a wake-up, it always seems to hit, but for some reason, i can never use Kyo’s DP as a wakeup. Maybe that just has to do with the invincibilty frames, but i’m not totally sure. If Kyo’s DP does have invincibilty frames on it, then it must be that Iori’s is faster, but i;m not totally sure if it does. I’m alost positive that almost all DP moves have invinicbilty frames except for Rugals genocide cutter.

Does anyone know what/who’s special moves have invinicbilty frames?, besides from level 2 and 3 supers of coarse? **

http://db.gamefaqs.com/coinop/arcade/file/capcom_vs_snk_2_system_combo.txt

its james chen’s combo and system faq. control-f and look for meaty and wakeup attacks to get an explanation of wake ups and other basic stuff like that. here’s another explanation of meaty attacks by him in the benimaru thread:

Originally posted by jchensor
"Meaty" is a term I’ve never liked, truth be told, because it really doesn’t sound like it’s what it’s supposed to describe. But I can’t go and change history, and since it’s part of the lingo now…

Maety is the term used to “plant” a move into an enemy when they are invincible so that right when they lose their invincibility, the first thing that happens is that they are being hit.

This transition from invincibility to non-invincibility is most commonly seen when the character gets up off the ground. While they are getting up, they are invincible. After they get up, they are ulnerable. At some point, they have to make that transition. If you have a move inside of them when they make that transition, that is a Meaty Attack.

Super Turbo has the best examples. M.Bison cannot combo two Crouching Forward Kicks normally, because they cannot Link. However, if you know the enemy over, and throw out a “Meaty” Crouching Forward, the enemy gets up INTO the kick, gets hit. But since they get hit by the later portion of the Crouching Forward’s hittable period, it recovers sooner than normal, so now you CAN Combo another Crouching Forward. Lemme see if I can illustrate this:

Okay, the Crouching Forward Kick lasts this long:

|----------------------|

Every move has three parts: startup frames, hitting frames, and recovery frames. Let’s indicates these by “+” (a start up frame), “X” (a hitting frame), and “.” recovery frames. So Bison’s Crouching Forward will look like this:

|----------------------|
+++XXXXXXX…

Short startup, long hitting frames, fairly long recovery. Now, let’s say if you hit an enemy with a Crouching forward, they reel for this long:

0123456789

I use numbers so we can see that it’s the same length everytime. Now, let’s see what happens if you use a NON Meaty Crouching Forward Kick and try to combo another crouching Forward Kick.

…0123456789
|----------------------| |----------------------|
. +++XXXXXXX… +++XXXXXXX…

You hit the enemy first chance you get, but the enemy recovers before you can get off your second Forward Kick. Now, let’s say you use a MEATY Crouching Forward Kick, and have your move in them when they get up. The instant the enemy gets up will be indicated by the “!” character.

…!0123456789
|----------------------| |----------------------|
. +++XXXXXXX… +++XXXXXXX…

They get up into the last few hitting frames of your move. They get hit by the Crouching Forward, but since it was already so late in it’s animation, it recovers sooner and you can throw out another Crouching Forward before the enemy finishes reeling and catch them in time for a two-hit Combo.

Does that make sense what a “Meaty” attack is now? I kinda went in depth into it’s uses, but it helps understand why Meaty Attacks are so valuable.

• James

and further explanation of wake-ups v. meaty attacks

Originally posted by jchensor
I’ll expand on this a bit, since the answer isn’t as easy as yes or no.

It depends on the move and WHICH VERSION of the move.

I already ran through an entire day of experimentation with this, but I don’t recall it all, now. It all depends on whether your move is invincible in the proper areas. For example, I am pretty sure a Jab DP from Ryu will get stuffed by a Meaty low attack, but a Fierce one will win. Or something like that. Most DP moves have invincibility high, low, or both. Or none. And if your DP move happens to be invincible in the area your opponent is sticking their Meaty Attack in you, yes, you’ll win.

Yuri, for example, is only invincible high with her Strong DP (thus being her only good anti-air DP). So if someone tries a Meaty Jump attack, use the Strong DP. Sakura’s DPs have no invincibility, so they can’t be used at all for any anti-Meaty attacks. Meanwhile, I think Camm’ys DP in invincible high and low (on their first frame) with any button, so any version will work against any Meaty (she leaves her invincibility in the second frame, though, so I have seen her DP get beat by Sweeps). It really depends on your character, and what their versions of their DP-like moves can do.

• James

[CrimsonDisaster]

I don’t think Iori’s DP is any faster. I’m pretty sure I was just timing my DP cancels wrong now…

AFAIK, Kyo, Ryo, Rugal, Morrigan, and Sakura’s DPs have no invinciblity frames.

As to specials with invincibility frames, all I can think of is:
Shotos- DP
Iori- DP
Joe- Tiger Kick
Cammy- Cannon Spike
Honda- jab Headbutt
Raiden- Giant Bomb
Gief- both Lariats
Hibiki- Dodge(duh)

And of course any RC’d move.

[System_1]

An easier (to me at least) Iori pillar custom that makes the spacing pretty much perfect no matter on who it’s performed on or where it’s performed.

Activate, [Jab DP, c.Fierce, roll] x3, c.Fierce x2, roll, s.close RH x2, back up, s.close Fierce, back up, c.Fierce x2 xx Pillar, wait 2 hits, Fierce DP.

It looks sketchy, but try it out.

[Ryu1999]

*Originally posted by CrimsonDisaster *
**I don’t think Iori’s DP is any faster. I’m pretty sure I was just timing my DP cancels wrong now…

AFAIK, Kyo, Ryo, Rugal, Morrigan, and Sakura’s DPs have no invinciblity frames.

As to specials with invincibility frames, all I can think of is:
Shotos- DP
Iori- DP
Joe- Tiger Kick
Cammy- Cannon Spike
Honda- jab Headbutt
Raiden- Giant Bomb
Gief- both Lariats
Hibiki- Dodge(duh)

And of course any RC’d move. **

Are you sure about Ryo? I mean, he has the best DP in the whole game…but maybe you’re right, but the CVS2 Bible seemed to show it had the same amount of “blue bar frames” (or more) as than the Shoto DP

[System_1]

Ryo has invincibilty frames, i use it as a wake up all the time. And today. Kyo’s i found out today can kind of be used as one, but u’ll end up trading hits, but the dp should do more damage.

[CrimsonDisaster]

Wakeups have slight invincibility on their own.

I don’t know about Ryo… it’s more priority than invincibility, from what I’ve seen.

Example, I’ll do Iori DPs through L3 Tiger Cannons, but Ryo can’t even go through a Tiger Shot.

[System_1]

Has anybody else tried out this combo?

crossover b+lk, st. mp, f+mp, hcb+rh.

I’ve tried it and my opponent always gets nailed by the hcb+rh because of the long hit-stun animation. I think it doesn’t do as much damage as the version where you replace fierce rekkas with the hcb+rh, but it’s still nice.