[quote=“therobin, post: 7070848, member: 5182”
I think the stock JLF is just about the worse joystick ever made. And I played with a lot of sticks. But one thing it has going for it, is its high modability (moreso than seimitsus it seems to me).[/quote]
I don’t think the JLF is QUITE that bad but I certainly don’t care for the performance with older fighting games. (It’s the Happ/American parts that I DON’T care for… They were very uncomfortable to use back in the arcade days. The comfort and performance of the Japanese parts I’ve used has been far superior.) The recentering and switch activation were too slow for my likes. It still is fine for newer fighting games and Marvel Vs Capcom 2… However, I won’t even try to play Darkstalkers or SF Alpha with that joystick, period!
The advantage the Seimitsu joysticks have besides the shorter throw and faster recentering is with the gated microswitches. I think their switches activate a bit quicker and the gates have made it more comfortable for me to use the square gates on the Seimitsu brand joysticks. In fact, I stopped used circle gates on the LS-32 altogether and it’s been very comfortable for me. Of course, the way LS-series microswitches are made makes the LS-series even louder than the JLF…
The LS-32 is definitely the most modifiable Seimitsu joystick IMHO… It just has more accessories for it since it’s the most popular LS-series joystick out there. It’s also the joystick that’s worked out best for me as far as spring mods are concerned. Plenty of room for spring experimentation.
The first LS-32 I ever played opened my eyes… it’s just night and day between using a JLF and an LS-32. A lot of moves I had problems with were easier on the LS-32 and even in stock condition it had tighter tension than the JLF.
Second most modifiable LS-joystick would definitely be the LS-56/-58 series. LS-40 is just tough to mod because of the spring situation. I was hoping to maybe try a spring or two from Paradise Arcade on the next order I give them to see if it makes any difference. The spring would have to have tighter tension – there’s just no room with the LS-40 spring retainer to stack let alone screw springs together.
[quote=GeorgeC, post: 7074119, member: 12433]
[quote=“therobin, post: 7070848, member: 5182”… is with the gated microswitches. I think their switches activate a bit quicker and the gates have made it more comfortable for me to use the square gates on the Seimitsu brand joysticks.[/quote]
The Matsushita microswitches engage at the same exact distance as the Omron’s Sanwa uses. And, actually, having taken both apart, the Omron’s are of much higher quality. Also, the Matsushita’s that Seimitsu use are of higher tension, at least when comparing the LS-40 to the JLF. Much more tension actually…
The reason for the quicker activation would have to be with how close the switches are to the lever. In the case of Seimitsu, they all use levered switches, which makes it so there is less distance between the actuator and the switch, but that would only make sense if the switches are distanced the same from the lever, and then you have actuator width to consider, too. The other reason why the stick may feel “quicker” would be throw distance, the less throw you have, the less room you move the stick so if you ride the gate, you’ll have faster movement. This comes down to the size of the gate and the width of the actuator.
I have cherries installed in my jlf and the ls 55 spring seems to be the best match ( a little stiffer than the stock jlf) not sure where this would match up w/ the customs maybe the 3x
Have you tried the 58- i find it to feel very similar to the ls 40 however it feels just a bit stiffer and i think i prefer it with the octagon gate/ which is not an option on the 40
Are these getting added soon Mr armi0024 you know its not polite to tease. I need to put in an order for a few things but this is holding me up
Finally!! Already Placed an Order! Thanks!
As expected the 2-6 are selling well, but who’s ordering the 9 lb springs, I want some feed back 
So… I take it the springs are sized for JLF but wouldn’t necessarily fit the Seimitsu joysticks?
I think they would go around the thinner shaft Seimitsus but the issue would then be the spring retainer not being sized for JLF-type springs…
I have one of the 9lb springs…all I can say it’s Ridiculous LOL I can’t play on it but My Brother was able too…He likes it but he finds to be a bit too much…He Likes the 6lb spring, He is currently using that. I’m using your 3lb with Kowal Custom Actuator for Short throw and I’m Loving it. Thank you For creating the Springs!
I just put a good two days into the 2lbs spring.
It’s not bad, but I felt like I would want to swap out the switches with the Cherry or Zippy kit, I’ll probably order the Cherry Kit next check (Do I need to order the harness separately?)
On the positive, I found that my IADs were coming out noticably lower and cleaner than I normally get them on my stock JLFs. my 2xQCFS and dashes came out consistently too (those aren’t an issue ever normally, but it’s worth note I guess)
On the negative, my hand cramped, really badly after four or five games. I also occasionally felt like I would move the stick and get right to where I would normally actuate the stick and then get hung up on the switch for whatever reason, I’m gonna grab one of the cherry kits next check and see if that makes a difference.
There should be no different in switch actuation as the actuator has not changed at all, or it’s relationship to the shaft and switches (we are doing new actuators, and expect them next month)
Keep us posted, we can get in springs that are finer tuned between 1 and 2 also!
New actuators! You guys becoming quite the custom shop.
over 100 custom products and counting
Could you stock ones that are 1.5 lbf? I feel like that would be the perfect spring for me
Definitely a possibility in the future
I ordered a 2# and a 3# along with some of your clear Sanwa centers a jlf zippy harness and lots of your other stuff.
You guys are great
Another vote for a 1.5 lbf spring option
I ordered one sample of each spring for testing. They’re excellent. I subsequently ordered enough to supply the entire local crew in NC.
Since you asked about the 9lb spring, GentlemanThief, a nationally recognized VF player, already mods his sticks to a similar level of resistance, so there -is- a market for that degree of tension.
I was going to suggest that you make custom actuators a la Kowal’s, but I see you’re way ahead of me. Any update on when those will be available?
1 more here too. I took a 2lb and cut a bit.
