What do you mean by “diagonals are tight?” Tight as in the direction or something?
Compared to a standard square gate the area you have available to activate two switches at the same time is smaller. As in, the region to hit diagonals is smaller than regular square gates because you can’t push the actuator as far into the corners. (Unless you want to carve out some nice corners.)
Executing a diagonal requires more accurate execution. The default crown gate is great if you feel like a square gate is giving you diagonals where you don’t want them.
Ohhh okay, and for the rubber grommet does that affect the performance of the joystick?
Hit up wazwuz…he has an upgrade kit for crown joysticks… better rubber grommets and different switches…which should help overall performance only thing is its overseas and he ships ems.
That sounds great but I hear that EMS shipping is pretty expensive, considering it’s overseas. I do appreciate the reference dude!
For 2 upgrade kits including shipping I was quoted $42
$42 for two upgrade kits? Okay maybe I will consider then, lol. So you said it comes with a better grommet and switches?
Yep…I’m gonna order when I get extra cash…I’m a tekken player and I’ve been looking for ways to improve the crown sticks and the upgrade kits look really promising
Ahh well my friend is also a Tekken player and I’m planning on getting him a Crown stick and eventually I might plan on getting one myself. So do Crown sticks last long?
I have a mayflash stick that i dual modded with ps360+. I have that crown 303 installed. First i modded the acuator than i opened up my switches and applied two strips of black tape to the bottom of the red button. With all that done the stick was too sensitive, so i put the actuator Back to normal. I love it but diagonals have a longer throw. I also dual my brothers ssf4te stick with a seimitsu ls-32 with bat top and thats my next joystick along with a full custom case.
This has come up before. They’re good sticks, but diagonals are harder to hit because the grommet starts getting tight as it stretches to the corners. The more range it has to move, the more resistance you get. At neutral, the resistance from the grommet isn’t so bad, but the further you move from neutral the more resistance the grommet applies to the stick. Since diagonals are going to be the most range of movement, you will get the most resistance there which is one reason it’s much harder to hit the diagonals. The other reason is also because of how large the range for the diagonals is. K sticks don’t have gates restricting the range of the lever’s movement, plus the spring in a J stick is more consistent for tension per travel distance, all this stuff changes the function and feel of the stick and the range of movement and tension.
I did try a Myoungshin lever and it was a nicer feeling stick. Over all it was more consistent as you move the lever and the grommet had a nicer feel to it. Definitely a higher quality stick, but they do not offer one that will fit a mounting plate or mass produced sticks.
All right, I probably will buy another Crown in the future. Oh another question guys, I bought a Crown for my friend and the stick is wobbly. Is that normal for Crowns or there might be something wrong?
All sticks are have wiggle room or wobble I suppose when neutral, if that is what you mean.
That’s not entirely true, but is most often the case.
Plenty of Seimitsu products are tight when in neutral, then there’s Suzo and things like the Virtstik (sic?).
On topic, I recently grabbed one of the new Korean sticks with the JP style mounting plate and it just feels terrible, super loose and the spring in there is laughably soft.
Dude I own 3 different kinds of Seimtitsu joysticks, they all have wiggle room.
Its significantly less than the JLF but its still there.
Virtstick is the last stick to evade my grasp!!! he said he doesn’t make them anymore =(
What? The spring is negligible in K sticks, you can even remove the spring if you want. The purpose of the spring isn’t to return the stick to neutral, that is what the grommet is for. The purpose is mainly to keep tension under (or above? I forgot) the grommet so that it stays in place as you play. The grommet does like 90% of all the work in snapping that shit back to neutral, dude.
K sticks ARE NOT J sticks, so of course it is going to feel very different. The looseness doesn’t matter, what matters is that when it snaps back to zero, it does so with little to no deflection which a K stick does, and it does it fast, probably faster than J sticks, and that’s one of the reasons they’re prized by Tekken players. Fast snap back to neutral and accurate cardinal directions.
The newer Crowns are fine, comparable to Fantas.
If you were just going to make a custom case that mounts a Korean stick standard, I’d just get a Myoungshin though.
If we’re talking about installing it into a Japanese-style case, then yeah, the Japanese mountable Crowns are the best way, and pretty solid.
If you’re having issues with diagonals just swap the switches. You would be surprised how strongly these affect the engage speed and diagonals range. I find Gersungs slow (smaller diagonals and later engage) and Matsushitas fast (earlier engage and wider diagonals).
Gersungs are available with the korean version and Matsushitas with the japanese if I remember correctly.
Fair enough. At any rate, I didnt enjoy playing on it. Felt too soft. I can see that there is very little deflection when returning to neutral, but in the stick I have at least, the return to neutral isn’t quick in comparison to what I like.
Thanks for the info on the function of the spring, that was new to me.
