I could be wrong, but isn’t it possible to do safe resets against characters with slow or bad reversals? i.e after lk tatsu, st.hp xx lk DF Palm, wouldn’t that safejump Rufus’s ex Messiah kick? (I’m not sure about EX SS, that thing has a weird angle).
Edit: Checked in training mode and I couldn’t safejump ex messiah with lk.tatsu, st.hp or cr.lp xx lk.df palm, I ate the entire messiah (i.e not just 20 damage and a reset). I think there was some talk before about infiltration using those resets in Evo 2010 because they’re safe or something, guess I understood it wrong or I’m not doing the setups correctly.
FIRST OFF UR FUNNY… :lovin: SECOND I DONT EVEN DO THAT STUPID JR SHIT LIKE CROSSUP TATSU > C.MP > BULLSHIT AND IM JR… THIRD WHAT U SAID AT THE END IS TRUE BUT U FORGOT 1 LITTLE THING TO PUT ON UR SENTENCE AT THE END… ILL SHOW U… YOU’RE NOT GONNA CATCH A GOOD PLAYER WITH THOSE GIMMICKS UNLESS UR ( JR RODRIGUEZ )… :arazz: C HOW EASY THAT WAS… LATERZZZ :wgrin:
JR, I have respect for you, dude. But, people absolutely shouldn’t emulate your style. You’re a scrubby player with good fundamentals and I don’t mean that disrespectfully. It’s just your style, it’s fun to watch, and it’s pretty fun to play you so more power to you. Still, I agree with superpollo when he says players shouldn’t copy shit like empty demon flip palm into random ultra, or any of your other high risk random guess tactics. If your serious about winning consistently in the long run rather than randoming people out then it’s horrible to start doing it, because it’s a random scrubby guess. It seems online play in general though breeds this type of play style along with the SF4 game engine.
The moral of the story here is that you should always, always MINIMIZE RISK and that means lowering the amount of unsafe guesses and gambles that you use in your game. Especially if your character is like Akuma and doesn’t need to rely on unsafe guesses to win most of the time. The fewer unsafe random guesses you have to use to win, the more consistent you will be in the long run. JR is practically the antithesis of this, not hating, just stating reality.
Empty palm into demon works. It’s not really a gimmick, it’s a setup, one that has existed since 3s. Activating a 0 frame grab in your opponents face works.
As far as critiquing JR goes, you may not like his style but he would beat 99% of the players posting in this forum offline. So regardless of disliking his style he is effective with it.
FWIW, I think there is a place for DFP into Demon, even Ultra Demon. If you learn your opponent’s tendencies, e.g. on his wake up, or on your wake up, you can definitely catch people with it.
A) he never saw JR’s sf4 akuma and didn’t expect those random demons…when they did the rematch this year tokido obviously won.
B) Tokido also lost to Floe’s rufus…he wasn’t in great shape during this year’s EVO.
Anyways yeah, props to him for randoming out so much people lol, but this doesn’t change the fact that his akuma should NOT be taken as a model for new akuma players.
Shin: In a tournament setting he would probably beat me, i must admit I don’t handle pressure too well in offline tournaments. But in a free play ft. 5 I’d bet money on myself any day…hell in a you vs. JR offline ft.5 i’d bet my money on you without even thinking for a moment
The thing is (and this is coming from a Scrub Akuma 's perspective) we don’t have hardly any setups for U1 or Super demon. We can’t SRK FADC into them. We can’t combo into them. The only thing’s we can do is:
Apply it as a punish for a stupid mistake
Catch someone after an FA crumple
Catch someone after a dizzy
But those aren’t setups per se. You may laugh, but Cross-up palm, whiffed jumping attacks and whiffed st. HK on wakeup into demon all work as setups when you condition your opponent to do certain things in those situations. On the whole, these setups are about as risky as anything else we can do, like hit confirming into df throw or a cross-up tatsu. But if we don’t try to risk it, then what are we supposed to do?
Just turtle in the corner hoping your oppoent is dumb enough to let you demon them? I was told Akuma is a high risk, high reward character and that’s the way he should be played. If you can sucker someone into getting caught by a df demon setup, why not? And if it fails, well at least you go out fighting.
JR’s style may not be the “perfect” model to follow, but don’t knock the guy’s skill because he can land what you think are “gimmicks”. Whatever you may think of him, he’s still fun to watch and you can’t fault him for trying to spice things up now and then. And, he’s a class act through and through - even though he demolishes you, even if you aren’t 1/100th of his skill level, he doesn’t talk down to you or try to make you feel like a scrub (unless you call him out first!!!)
That’s more than can be said for many of the posters here (and on his channel) :razz:
The fact remains that he beat Tokido at Evo. Call them gimmicks if you want but they worked precisely because Tokido wasn’t expecting them. Therefore, they clearly have a use: use them when your opponent isn’t expecting them. Point proved.
I’m sure you would lay money on yourself against JR in a freeplay FT5. And I’m equally sure that you would lose that money quickly. I would love to see you play him in Ranked or Endless though. Why not set it up?
Because Lollo’s in Italy and JR’s in West USA (California I believe). Even a connection between JR and myself (I live in Montreal, QC, Canada) with a 16Mbps Fibre Optics connection was 2 bars (Orange) at best. I can’t imagine that he and JR would get a much better connection seeing as how, Geographically, they’re further appart than I was.
So Unless either of them are planning a trip to meet each other, I doubt that’s gonna happen. Too bad…
But hey, I remember you saying that you would destroy my crappy akuma or something…i’m still waiting for your friend invite on xbl…it’s the 3rd time i’m telling you this and you’re still running away… ^-^
Let’s have a yellow bar lag match so we can see who is the strongest online fighter lololol
Do you have to answer me? Well, you just did answer me so that was kind of a pointless question, no?
And instead of doing what I suggested and backing up your shit talk, you challenge me to some matches instead of JR? I never claimed to be anything special. I’m a scrub. I’m just pointing out the obvious here. You’ve got such a big head, but what have you ever done in SF4 competitive play? Shit, what have you done online even? I saw one of your videos on Youtube. 5000BP? Not impressed compadre.
Man I really don’t want to take sides here, but super’s from Europe and JR’s from US, so it’s impossible for them to have a match with any real meaning online. Also, points mean nothing, it really makes you look bad IMO if you’re judging people based on how much points they have Online… !
As for JR, I respect the guy, he might not be the most traditional Akuma player or someone to look up to for learning how Akuma should be played, but he himself admits that he doesn’t take SF4 seriously like he did with 3s, I’ve seen him get results in long sets vs very good players (no, not online scurbs who would eat st.hp xx df grab like it’s an unblockable 6 times in a row) so I guess that must at least means he’s doing Something right (spacing, reactions…etc).
And I’ve beaten JR in a set in vanilla. I guess that means I’m better than Tokido. Point: It doesn’t mean jack that he randomed out Tokido in a 2 out of 3 set and equally it doesn’t mean I’m better than JR for beating him in a set. I’m not hating, I specifically said that I enjoy watching his style because it’s exciting, but that players, especially newer ones, shouldn’t emulate it.
To give you another example of what I’m talking about here, I mained Abel for a period of time and obviously this is a character that relies on a lot of unsafe mix ups to win sometimes. Still, even though this is the case your goal as Abel should be to minimize the amount of unsafe guesses that you need to win. Now, that doesn’t mean that in some match ups where Abel is completely out classed you will have to go a little nuts and take some (or even a lot of) unsafe risks. All I’m saying is that if you’re fighting a match up where you don’t need to take those risky guesses don’t do them.
My bad, I wasn’t specific. Super is fairly legit, ultra however isn’t something that I would recommend people do.
Edit: No, I did say ultra, but maybe you were refering to another posters discussion.
I wasn’t really criticizing JR, more I was using him as an example. I’m not being a hater and if you think what I’m saying is incorrect I’m open to being wrong.
THIRD WHAT U SAID AT THE END IS TRUE BUT U FORGOT 1 LITTLE THING TO PUT ON UR SENTENCE AT THE END… ILL SHOW U… YOU’RE NOT GONNA CATCH A GOOD PLAYER WITH THOSE GIMMICKS UNLESS UR ( JR RODRIGUEZ )… :arazz: C HOW EASY THAT WAS… LATERZZZ :wgrin: