Could a ST be made like Third Strike On-lIne and if so would you buy it?

Da_Boogeyman · 2011-06-23T04:51:10.000Z

I really didn’t have much of a problem with the PSN netcode for HDR really. I think a patch that boosts the speed, and fixes the bugs would be great. I mean capcom should give money to patch the game I mean this is the 20th anniversary of SF2, so why not just release a patch that fixes the bugs, gives a true classic mode with the backgrounds and the music, and well that makes online better.

The online in HDR is gdlk compared to SSFIVAE, MVC3, and MK.

moocus · 2011-06-23T11:40:00.000Z

hit confirming still plays a pretty significant role in st. you don’t end a combo with a punishable special unless you know they aren’t blocking. st and 3s are king.

JigglyNorris · 2011-06-23T22:06:57.000Z

CWheezy:

What about the problem of third strike sucking

Go back to sirlin.net you tool.

moocus, I’m so psyched for 3rd Strike online. If you could school me in that game when it launches and teach me how things are done there that’d be awesome. I have some good experience with the game but I’m no where near the level I’m at in ST.

rcaido · 2011-06-23T22:11:50.000Z

3rd Strike should have went w/ a remix mode…Did not care for this game when it came out didn’t care for either after the Daigo parry…

KAOSPIDER · 2011-06-24T02:19:50.000Z

rcaido:

3rd Strike should have went w/ a remix mode…Did not care for this game when it came out didn’t care for either after the Daigo parry…

I don’t know if remixing solves that game’s problems. It was difficult for me to go from SF2’s sublime cast to SF3’s mostly throwaway roster. I did enjoy Dudley & Hugo though. There’s something about playing as Andore that never gets old.

krknight · 2011-06-24T04:33:58.000Z

Da_Boogeyman:

I really didn’t have much of a problem with the PSN netcode for HDR really.

i actually like the netcode for HDR. it’s the ps3 input lag that’s killing me. i can’t do two srks in a row on the ps3. on the xbox, no problem. on the ps3, after my first srk he’ll either throw a fireball, or just stand there and do two jabs depending if i do a full swing or not. my first input just doesn’t register.

in an online match, i threw a fireball to bait a jump in and intended to followup with an srk. the ps3 didn’t register my forward input for the srk so my guy ends up just standing there and throwing two jabs and then i get kicked in the face and lose the match. pisses me off and i can’t afford to have my old xbl setup right now.

CWheezy · 2011-06-24T05:34:58.000Z

moocus:

hit confirming still plays a pretty significant role in st. you don’t end a combo with a punishable special unless you know they aren’t blocking. st and 3s are king.

Ba ha ha jiggly.

Anyways most specials and some supers are safe in st, so you don’t really have to hit confirm.

In 3s a lot are varying levels of unsafe, making hit confirming much much more important

Cauldrath · 2011-06-24T06:16:31.000Z

krknight:

i actually like the netcode for HDR. it’s the ps3 input lag that’s killing me. i can’t do two srks in a row on the ps3. on the xbox, no problem. on the ps3, after my first srk he’ll either throw a fireball, or just stand there and do two jabs depending if i do a full swing or not. my first input just doesn’t register.

in an online match, i threw a fireball to bait a jump in and intended to followup with an srk. the ps3 didn’t register my forward input for the srk so my guy ends up just standing there and throwing two jabs and then i get kicked in the face and lose the match. pisses me off and i can’t afford to have my old xbl setup right now.

That’s not input lag. That’s inputs being dropped, which I haven’t experienced with HDR (PS3 or 360) besides when I was using my adapter with a Dual Shock 2. (Strangely enough, it seems fine with a Dual Shock 3, even though I bought a brand new DS2.) In fact, motions for moves should be one of the few things that isn’t negatively affected by input lag.

I’m also betting right now that Third Strike Online Edition will have at least 1 frame of extra input lag above the arcade version on PS3, if not more, because Capcom doesn’t seem to know how to make PS3 games without input lag.

EcKo_Zero_Cool · 2011-06-24T06:40:31.000Z

release date

and dlc

jesus christ capcom your killing us with the wait

oldschool_BR · 2011-06-24T07:20:26.000Z

Cauldrath:

I’m also betting right now that Third Strike Online Edition will have at least 1 frame of extra input lag above the arcade version on PS3, if not more, because Capcom doesn’t seem to know how to make PS3 games without input lag.

Net work quality causes input dropping. In emulated versions, slows machines can also cause it due to being unable to handle the copies running in the background. This last part should not happen in console, as it is a relatively powerful platform and should be adjusted so as to run a number of copies that it will always handle. Still, this is an issue with higher latencies, in which case GGPO still outperforms Capcom’s or Backbone’s net code. I assume it is Backbone’s: Capcom games come with POS netcode, while HDR’s is basically the best one available for consoles, atm. At least when it comes to fighting games.

As for input lag in PS3, it is basically lazy design by the softwarehouses, which make games for XBox 360 and simply port it to PS3 when it is mostly complete. In case I ain’t mistaken, there are games for which the opposite has happened, and the result is the XBox version has lag. If I was a 3rd Strike player, I’d be asking daily “Will the PS3 version be a rushed port from the X360 one” at Capcom Unity. I wouldn’t give them peace. Have no doubt: the PS3 lag is Backbone’s fault, together with Capcom, which should have checked the game for such obvious issues. By the way, I wonder if they couldn’t just fix the CCC version, identifying the source of the input lag.

But I won’t take this bet against you: I expect the worst.

moocus · 2011-06-24T12:12:41.000Z

jiggly: i might have taken you off my friends list since we never really play. i’ll send a request over soon so we can play the other best fighting game ever made. hopefully with the best netcode ever made.

would it be a good idea to make a 3s matchmaking thread for st guys?

edit* probably not, i guess

geo · 2011-06-24T17:32:28.000Z

krknight:

i actually like the netcode for HDR. it’s the ps3 input lag that’s killing me. i can’t do two srks in a row on the ps3. on the xbox, no problem. on the ps3, after my first srk he’ll either throw a fireball, or just stand there and do two jabs depending if i do a full swing or not. my first input just doesn’t register.

in an online match, i threw a fireball to bait a jump in and intended to followup with an srk. the ps3 didn’t register my forward input for the srk so my guy ends up just standing there and throwing two jabs and then i get kicked in the face and lose the match. pisses me off and i can’t afford to have my old xbl setup right now.

Excuses excuses…

krknight · 2011-06-25T05:41:12.000Z

Cauldrath:

That’s not input lag. That’s inputs being dropped, which I haven’t experienced with HDR (PS3 or 360) besides when I was using my adapter with a Dual Shock 2.

yeah, that’s what i meant. with lag, the move would just come late. anyway, the drops are coming because according to the ps3, i’m inputting the moves too soon and it only registers the latter part of what i’m trying to do. nonetheless, the ps3’s version ain’t right and there’s plenty of srk’ers who would attest to this.

krknight · 2011-06-25T05:43:00.000Z

geo:

Excuses excuses…

is that some sort of weak ass challenge?

geo · 2011-06-25T06:15:14.000Z

krknight:

is that some sort of weak ass challenge?

No, I just thought the wall of complaining was… funny?

krknight · 2011-06-25T09:09:43.000Z

geo:

No, I just thought the wall of complaining was… funny?

well, the last 5 years or so, capcom’s track record hasn’t been very good. there are concerns with 3SO which i think are warranted. this thread is funny since it covers more of 3SO and ST than it does remix. if 3SO turns out as everyone hopes, then that means things are going in the right direction. otherwise, you’ll be seeing more walls of complaining. that’s just the way it is.

aku · 2011-06-25T09:39:45.000Z

Regarding 3SO, the only complaints being made right now are certain differences in details regarding graphics. They’re not exactly game-changing, but stuff like the colors of Aegis Reflectors being different and Ryu’s duffel bag not falling down or whatever. This may undoubtedly come off as needlessly anal(and I’ll agree), but it did raise some questions about whether it’s truly arcade perfect or not. So far though, I’ve heard no real complaints about input lag or anything else like that, so that’s good enough for me.

They seem to be really confident with 3SO and its potential success, so maybe this is a step in the right direction.

krost · 2011-06-25T09:49:29.000Z

i hope so… could potentially revitalize the offline ST scene… imo thats exactly what ST needs, a next gen console arcade perfect port. please capcom : (

rcaido · 2011-06-25T20:13:40.000Z

krost:

i hope so… could potentially revitalize the offline ST scene… imo thats exactly what ST needs, a next gen console arcade perfect port. please capcom : (

Wont happen, im pretty sure some ST dude will find a .000234287 lag difference compared to the CPS2, so it will be a no go…

Thancruz · 2011-06-25T23:21:15.000Z

People make ST fans sound like Sonic fans. “BUT RYU’S RED HADOUKEN SHOULD HAVE AN EXTRA WAVE OF ENERGY AT THE END,THANKS FOR RUINING ST CRAPCOM, NOT BUYING THIS!”