Qareen
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^Agreed.
User Qareen voted on viper
guile: 6.0
bison: 4.5
chun: 6.0
deejay: 6.0
guy: 5.0
seth: 6.0
ibuki: 5.0
vega: 6.0
fuerte: 5.0
dudley: 5.5
sagat: 6.0
cammy: 4.0
makoto: 5.0
dhalsim: 5.5
rufus: 4.0
gouken: 6.0
adon: 5.0
ken: 4.5
hakan: 6.0
rose: 4.5
akuma: 5.5
balrog: 4.0
honda: 2.0
zangief: 3.0
dan: 6.0
sakura: 6.0
gen: 6.0
ryu: 4.5
hawk: 5.5
fei: 4.5
cody: 5.0
abel: 4.5
blanka: 3.5
juri: 5.5
Tibian
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User Tibian voted on viper
guile: 3.5
bison: 2.0
chun: 5.0
deejay: 5.0
guy: 5.0
seth: 5.5
ibuki: 6.5
vega: 2.5
fuerte: 3.0
dudley: 5.5
sagat: 5.0
cammy: 5.0
makoto: 6.0
dhalsim: 5.5
rufus: 5.5
gouken: 6.0
adon: 5.5
ken: 4.5
hakan: 6.5
rose: 4.0
akuma: 6.5
balrog: 3.5
honda: 4.5
zangief: 4.0
dan: 6.5
sakura: 5.0
gen: 5.0
ryu: 4.5
hawk: 4.5
fei: 4.0
cody: 5.0
abel: 5.0
blanka: 3.0
juri: 5.0
Story of my life. Vega and Bison make me want to punch my TV every time I face them. They are pretty much auto-lose.
T-Dash
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User T-Dash voted on viper
guile: 6.0
bison: 4.5
chun: 5.0
deejay: 4.5
guy: 5.0
ibuki: 4.5
seth: 5.5
vega: 5.0
fuerte: 5.5
dudley: 5.0
sagat: 5.5
cammy: 4.5
makoto: 6.0
dhalsim: 6.0
rufus: 5.0
gouken: 5.5
adon: 4.5
ken: 5.0
rose: 5.0
hakan: 6.5
akuma: 5.0
balrog: 4.5
honda: 3.5
zangief: 5.0
dan: 6.0
sakura: 6.0
gen: 5.5
ryu: 5.0
hawk: 4.5
cody: 4.5
fei: 4.0
abel: 5.0
blanka: 4.5
juri: 5.5
Pegaso
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User Pegaso voted on viper
guile: 6.0
bison: 4.5
chun: 6.0
deejay: 5.0
guy: 6.0
ibuki: 5.5
seth: 5.5
vega: 5.0
fuerte: 5.0
dudley: 5.5
sagat: 5.0
cammy: 4.5
makoto: 6.0
dhalsim: 5.5
rufus: 5.0
gouken: 6.5
adon: 6.0
ken: 4.0
rose: 4.5
hakan: 7.0
akuma: 5.0
balrog: 5.0
honda: 4.0
zangief: 6.0
dan: 6.0
sakura: 6.0
gen: 6.0
ryu: 5.5
hawk: 6.0
cody: 5.5
fei: 6.0
abel: 5.0
blanka: 5.5
juri: 4.0
based on my experience online v s decent players
Killey
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User Killey voted on viper
guile: 6.0
bison: 4.0
chun: 6.0
deejay: 5.0
guy: 4.0
ibuki: 4.0
seth: 6.0
vega: 6.0
fuerte: 6.0
dudley: 5.0
sagat: 5.0
cammy: 4.0
makoto: 5.0
dhalsim: 6.0
rufus: 4.0
gouken: 6.0
adon: 4.0
ken: 4.0
rose: 4.0
hakan: 6.0
akuma: 5.0
balrog: 4.0
honda: 3.0
zangief: 4.0
dan: 6.0
sakura: 6.0
gen: 6.0
ryu: 5.0
hawk: 4.0
cody: 5.0
fei: 4.0
abel: 4.0
blanka: 4.0
juri: 5.0
LIES
Please explain to me why Tatsu and I have a 25 - 1 record -_-
Killey
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There’s always going to be an exceptional player for a character that makes us think the match up is not to our advantage but truthfully Vega is definitely a favorable match up for us. At the very worse it’s 5-5 nothing lower then that though.
There’s a few match ups I want to change like I think Guile and Sim should be set to 5-5’s instead of 6-4’s. I use to think Deejay was bad but then a huge crop of Deejay’s showed up on Xbox Live and it’s like oh this is how you do the match up.
I also really hate fighting Makoto. She has a bunch of good OS options against Viper and it’s another one of those matches where whoever has momentum wins.
mikoal
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vegas that can play footsies are hard…and yes tatsu gives me trouble too…
Killey
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Yes, I know I get to play against Jozhear from time-to-time but it’s not like the match is incredibly skewed in his favor as some people make it out to be. Even if one person does exceptionally well against you doesn’t mean the match up is bad overall. You have to break it down to character specific tools and strategies.
Seriously, if I’m losing a lot to an exceptional Hakan player I’m not going to say the match up is in Hakan’s favor. I’m simply going to place those losses on my lack of skills.
how many other makoto players have you actually played? haha.
mikoal
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Hmm, well if one person does exceptionally well, doesnt that mean that character has the potential to do that well against urs?
I mean, isnt the tier list based on high level plays that we probably wont really see 90% of the time?
Killey
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I’ve bumped into a few quite surprisingly. There’s some interesting tactics they use like after a certain scenario they go for the weird special where she does 3 consecutive punches. I think the only option I had was to back dash or block there was too many active frames for a reversal to work and I was still in recovery to counter poke it.
Yes and no.
It shows the potential of the character in the match up but it doesn’t necessarily mean the match up is skewed towards that characters favor. It could be match up unfamiliarity that holds you back, etc… I’m saying that certain match ups can’t be easily dissected or biased by players. Match up charts are saying if 2 players with the same skill level fought using those respective characters this is how it would look in a best of 10 (I think there were some inaccuracies to this statement). Of course, you can really only go by your own personal experiences but if we sat down and said okay here’s the tools of both characters this is what each character can do in the match up to win this is how the other character counters this strat, etc… Then we could probably come up with a more accurate way to analyze and rank the match up.
I mean Lainy puts Makoto vs Viper as 7-3 Makoto’s favor and I’m pretty sure he has some of the most talented Makoto players to play against but 7-3 seems reallllyyy skewed.
…I should mention that all my ratings are based on AE, not on console. Oops.
Mak-Viper in AE becomes pretty damn horrendous, because her uppercut completely eliminates Viper’s BK game, TK gets stuffed by any normal she throws out, and she does a FFF damage+stun in the corner with st.hp (feint) st.mp xx ex hayate ~ lp dp (JC) ex axe kick, which can spew from an unexpected dash-up karakusa. Good luck landing a FFF on her, though. -_- Any jump-ins will be countered, any pokes will just be beat out by one or another version of mp.
Thank you combofiend for living down here and letting me see how shitty of a matchup that really is QQ
Anyway, Tatsuuuuuuuuuuuu? Any ideas, anyone?
Killey
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Ahhh…that makes sense now. Yeah, I figured that match up would be worse in AE.
I cannot give any ideas vs Tatsu as I haven’t played him at all but after seeing Jayce get raped it was sadface.
User don_tknow voted on viper
guile: 5.5
bison: 4.0
chun: 5.0
deejay: 6.0
guy: 5.0
seth: 6.5
ibuki: 5.5
vega: 4.5
fuerte: 6.0
dudley: 6.0
sagat: 5.5
cammy: 4.0
makoto: 6.0
dhalsim: 7.0
rufus: 4.0
gouken: 6.0
adon: 4.5
ken: 4.5
hakan: 6.0
rose: 5.0
akuma: 5.5
balrog: 4.0
honda: 3.0
zangief: 4.0
dan: 6.0
sakura: 6.0
gen: 5.0
ryu: 5.0
hawk: 5.0
fei: 4.0
cody: 5.5
abel: 4.0
blanka: 4.0
juri: 5.5
wanna say something to the claw matchup: i think claw is one of those characters that can just simply outfootsie viper. he has good pokes with gdlk reach with many active frames, which gives viper a pretty hard time dealing with. he also has great mobility to get in and pressure her with ticks and frametraps. i compare it a little bit to the ken matchup. so in my opinion it is not in vipers favor at all… but that’s just me. ^^
jblair
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User jblair voted on viper
guile: 6.0
bison: 4.5
chun: 5.5
deejay: 5.5
guy: 5.5
seth: 5.5
ibuki: 5.5
vega: 4.5
fuerte: 4.5
dudley: 6.0
sagat: 5.5
cammy: 4.0
makoto: 5.0
dhalsim: 6.0
rufus: 4.5
gouken: 6.0
adon: 4.5
ken: 4.5
hakan: 5.5
rose: 5.5
akuma: 4.5
balrog: 4.0
honda: 3.5
zangief: 3.5
dan: 5.5
sakura: 5.5
gen: 5.5
ryu: 4.5
hawk: 5.5
fei: 4.5
cody: 5.5
abel: 5.0
blanka: 4.0
juri: 5.5
just want to say, makoto can already do that in console to viper.
i can see how a buffed fukiage really fucks her up though.
Hi, I’m new here.
guile: 6.0
bison: 4.0
chun: 5.0
deejay: 4.5
guy: 5.0
ibuki: 4.5
seth: 5.5
vega: 5.0
fuerte: 4.0
dudley: 5.0
sagat: 6.0
cammy: 3.5
makoto: 5.0
dhalsim: 5.5
rufus: 5.0
gouken: 6.0
adon: 5.5
ken: 4.0
rose: 5.5
hakan: 6.0
akuma: 5.0
balrog: 4.5
honda: 3.0
zangief: 3.5
dan: 6.0
sakura: 6.0
gen: 5.5
ryu: 4.5
hawk: 4.5
cody: 5.0
fei: 4.5
abel: 5.5
blanka: 4.0
juri: 5.0
