Reminds me of the time some woman sued mcdonalds because she spilled hot coffee on herself…and it was her own fault.
Lol bullshit, you have entire states data to show that’s incorrect.
This argument was pretty big when it was legalized in Colorado, Tobacco barely took a dent at all.
Longer studies continue so it remains to be seen, but as of now people having the choice of both, choose both.
I’m not assuming. I can tell from your posts that either you (a) have never interacted with addiction on any meaningful level (b) are playing ignorant to play internet tough troll © truly don’t care about people or just feel…superior.
If you understood addiction, you would know that there are large sums of people who are addicted, know that what they are doing is bad, and still cannot quit. They are beyond a choice and they are already suffering emotionally for it. They feel weak and helpless and here’s Raz0r saying, “Damn idiot, you get what you deserve.” Not, “Shame on the companies that enriched themselves by addicting people to a slow, painful death.”
Were you ever a kid who made a bad choice even when, or perhaps in spite of, other people warning you against it? You think you were as wise and forward-thinking as you are now? I hope not (that would say a lot about who I’m holding a discussion with). Most life long smokers started in their early teens when the human brain is still not capable of making wholly rational decisions quite yet. In fact, at that age, you are wired to try to break boundaries, rules, experiment, so you make lots of bad choices. Except, there’s a good chance this particular bad choice will stick with you for the rest of your life and there are rooms full of tobacco advertising specialists trained to feed off of the bad choices children make. An expert drug peddler vs. a teenager…and you blame the kid.
The falling percentage of smokers is a great sign, one that was preceded by government regulations on the tobacco industry mainly through high taxation policies, a limitation on advertising rights, and a campaign for tobacco companies to pay for smoking cessation programs. Also, to make the damned companies pay the families of their victims. It’s a good thing America didn’t adopt the “You get what you deserve” policy. A damned good thing.
Conversation re-enactment scenario of when Christopher Columbus got off the boat in Cuba for the 1st time and found the natives smoking cigars.
Christopher: "Hey! Whats that?!?!"
Native: "Tobaco"
Christopher: "Is it good for you?"
Native: “Nope.”
Silly Americans.
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That really ain’t shit. You were born in the tail-end of the 70s. I was born in the beginning of the 80s. Want to measure decades?
My parents taught me to own up to my wrongdoings. If I do something that is detrimental to myself or to others, I need to admit it and either seek help for it or cut the shit. That said, if you decide to kill someone, later find out it’s wrong, and ask for clemency you will still get your due sentence. Know why? Ignorance is never an excuse. Especially when the warnings are right on the goddamn package.
Like I have already said, no one asked them to smoke. No one forced the cigarette smoke down their lungs. They WILLFULLY chose to strike the match and light up. Are you going to pass the blame on the store who sold the cigarettes? The match for striking a light? The sulfur company who provided the starter for said match? What about the paper company who provided the tobacco companies with the necessary components of putting a cigarette together? If you’re going to blame one, you’re going to have to blame them all.
Again, this guy CHOSE to smoke. Whether he could have quit or not is irrelevant. He had the proper warnings around him. He chose to ignore it so he has no right to complain.
On the whole I’d generally agree that 8 years are nothing, but I think in this case the big difference is that I’m just old enough to remember the Congressional hearings/TV experts shitstorm over those 1985 warning labels, and you’re just young enough to have missed out on it.
That happens now. Everything is argued when lobbyists are involved. Literally. Everything is argued. So saying that this was argued is no surprise because if they just bend over and take it they will be telling the government they can butt in at any time.
Yeah, except their arguments included things like saying there was no credible evidence that smoking causes cancer when they very specifically knew better.
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Hence the reason for different sentencing regulations for minors.
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Many current smokers grew up in homes where the parents were smokers. So, yes, somebody did in fact force smoke down their lungs. You obviously also don’t want to acknowledge the immense impact advertising can have on the choices people make. Especially young people. Do you even remember the inquisitions into tobacco companies and the shocking truths about them targeting minors or are you just omitting that to try to feel like you have a sound argument?
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The rest about sulfur and paper and pokemon catch em all…look up straw man argument. Tobacco companies addict people and then kill them. Tobacco companies know this. They are rightfully the target and I would argue that not only should they pay that wife but they should relinquish all assets to will of the people at large and be forever banned from selling their product in our society.
That’s a lot to pay out.
I hate cigarettes and all that stupid crap, but $23 billion? Wow.
This all sounds like an excuse to me. I might as well blame the alcohol companies for making their products so damn attractive and my liver failing.
This is a smart post because smoking is exclusively popular in America.
Nope. Actually even contrary to common myth, it wasnt the hemp paper conspiracy that led to the outlawing of marijuana, but likely just simple good ole racism, with likely a healthy dose of religion. While things may have changed over time as to why it stayed illegal, besides its likely initial reasons, historically it was another typical american beast tackling marijuana into the dirt.
http://www.alternet.org/story/77339/debunking_the_hemp_conspiracy_theory
Never doubt the influence of racism and religion first over big corporate influence.
Don’t waste time crying over corporations, they don’t have your best interests at heart. I think its messed up from a fairness perspective in that they don’t attack the banks like this. I hope they do.
American culture is ridiculous. Always passing the goddamn buck instead of standing up and taking blame.
Also, i agree with @raz0r . I dont see how post public made knowledge of how bad tobacco and cigs are for you, its anyones fault but the persons if they decide to spark up, and continue to. People can become addicted to food, and turn into fat monsters, who are we to blame then, our teeth.
I wouldnt say i have the “addict gene”, but i smoked newports every weekend when we went out to club, starting at 16, smoked weed as often as i could get it starting at 16, which was often back then, and started drinking at 17 on the weekends (although by 19 i had stopped and took a long time off, only to only start up again, stop again, and didnt become a consistent, mild, almost daily drinker until my late 20s). With all that said, i was fairly aware of what i was doing, and it was made obvious to me as a young healthy teen who was heavy into martial arts, sports, and physical training, that cigarettes are terrible for you, alcohol sucks, and i need to even moderate my marijuana intake. I choose to continue because it was always still fun initially, and i would just deal with the day after.
I remember the day after any day i smoked weed or a cig, i spent hours training and at least 2 hours doing breathing exercises to help feel normal again. People simply choose to ignore the signs. There isnt one human being that smoked a cig, snorted coke, drank, smoked marijuana, and the next day wasnt like, holy shit, i feel fucking weird. RED FLAG, RED FLAG. No one does any of that stuff, and wakes up the next morning like nothing happened, unless you did a tiny amount of it, but thats not what im talking about.
Just because someone chooses to ignore their bodies immediate red flag to drugs, doesnt mean they get to pass off their problems to the company that makes the shit. Unless some people in here want a fucking nanny state (not to use the typical republican cliche word of the decade), people need to be held responsible for their own actions. Like razor said, ignorance is not an excuse.
Yeah it feels weird to okay tobacco companies essentially poisoning people with their cigs, and before the labels, were essentially getting away with murder by telling people smoking is just fine, but people made their decisions pre labels, and post labels, even when i guarantee their bodies said NOPE NOPE NOPE NOPE. Nobodies body hammers down their first pack of cigs, and they feel like they could take over the world. NO, you immediately feel its affect on you, and from then on you choose your normal state, or accept this faulty state of being so you can smoke your cigs.
I dont give a shit what is in cigarettes, because we all know its filled with shit, and the god damn package is basically telling you not to smoke this shit, even before the huge amount of easily accesible data we have had on how shitty cigs are. People just think theyre superheroes who can ignore the surgeon general, and scientist, and just do what they want because it wont happen to them. They think their liver wont shutdown, they wont get lung cancer, they wont die, they wont become out of shape and short of breath. Then when its time to die, someone has to be blamed in grief.
Exactly!
If tobacco companies don’t want to pony up for the damages their products cause, don’t sell them!
I know right. No one would sit in a tent full of fucking smoke and just breathe, so why would you essentially do the same god damn thing with smoking, and expect some type of different bodily response to it. You can choose to do both, but dont be shocked when after decades of doing it, your body starts to fucking give up.
I anticipate he’ll option select into the troll card.
This right here.