I actually decided to watch that movie since you helped me remember what it was. Maaan was that movie great. I have to thank you again man. Everyone else here needs to watch it too. I’m plenty sure some have never seen it or haven’t seen it in a long ass time like me.
I used to not care about other students cheating because it had nothing to do with me. That was until I finished one class where there was a lot of suspicion of cheating going on during the final exam, such that the professor had to administer another final exam that everyone had to retake.
Ever since then, I’ve come to the conclusion that cheaters are disgusting, filthy human beings that don’t deserve the privilege of attending college and can go straight to hell for all I care. From now on, if I see what obviously looks like cheating, I CAN and I WILL report them.
I just compared the full roster for my Bachelors degree program with that of ITT tech, and it was very easy in comparison. I will admit it was more than I thought it would be, I was under the impression they only offered 2 year degree programs, but it looks like a full 4 year degree. Theres a reason that ITT isn’t a fully accredited school though, and that’s because they don’t follow the same standards and practices that others adhere to. They can call their program a “240 unit” degree program on par with universities, then run the classes on a quarter system to churn out more credits at a time, covering less material in less depth, just to give them a degree that isn’t nationally recognized.
However, I get annoyed when people are annoyed at the fact they are attending a university with the mentality of a trade school. You want to just learn programming and get a job doing it? That’s like the easiest field in the world to bypass college for, because it just slows you down compared to what you can do on your own. But you go through all the extra hoops and classes and non-essential stuff because in the end it proves what a well rounded person you are, and that you can handle the challenges of a real job, not because you’ll need to know Art History for your job.
That is the difference between something like ITT and a University.
I had to take an accounting course in my freshman year, it was a req for all business and econ students. Class marks were low throughout the term (including mine) and the finals came up. Somehow the exam paper got leaked (rumor has it the janitor sold it to a student for $150) and I got a hold of a copy for free, however no one was sure if it’s really the real exam since the questions on it was waaaaay easier than anything on our tests and mid-terms. Regardless I was screwed either way so I took that shit and ran to a cafeteria on campus to study for the night…EVERYONE (like 100+ ppl) there had a copy and were working on it together, I’ve never seen the cafe so alive and loud. Anyways we all solved the paper and studied some extra stuff in case the paper was bogus, the day comes and the exam was EXACTLY the same. I think our average shot up 10-15% or so afterwards.
Do I feel bad? Hell no, fuck accounting.
I resent you now
Considering i go to a school where the professors let you used one page of notes, there’s really no point of cheating. Plus the notes help out but more often than not if you understand the material your good to go also.
Currently sitting in the room with two 2098s. Paying the bills and crankin out them flops. Legacy my ass.
People cheat because of the “ends justify means” mentality. Others value honor & ethics, and while I have never cheated for my own reasons - despite having invented an unused, ingenious method in high school - I can see the merits of both arguments. :tup:
nah only cheated on minor assignments
taking tests is my thing.
i discovered this when i actually studied for one in sophomore year
Hey, was this a jibe…at me?
like i said in my post, if you’re doing a liberal arts major, there’s no reason to cheat because:
- your major is a joke, so how could you not pass it? i took drama 101 for my senior year, didn’t feel like attending classes or buying textbooks or studying finals, but i still got a 3.0
- grades DEFINITELY don’t matter if you’re doing a liberal arts major, so there’s reason to cheat to get a 100%. its meaningless. no ones going to hire you because you aced a humanities 200 test.
now if you are doing a real major, then you are DEFINITELY screwing yourself in the end. that’s even overlooking the fact that cheating is a lot harder - most exams are open book and open note - not like its going to help. if you don’t know the material you will be fucked when you actually start a job, assuming you can even pass an interview. a lot of what i’ve learned in computer science has been useful to me, and the process of studying, working hard, and thinking my way through assignments and finals has helped me immensely in my day to day job.
you are only cheating yourself in the end.
Fishjie is correct, for any real science you need to know your shit.
Ok I’m curious.
What’s this method~?
I pretty much said all that in the first post of the last page. In my CS classes the tests (writing a program) are completely open book, notes, internet whatever. I actually like that since it helps you learn to use the resources available to you to figure out the solution instead of mindless memorization. I agree that cheating in the classes specific to your major is only screwing yourself.
I wasn’t trying to make the point that you should cheat at all costs. More like, if I have to cheat to make it past this shitty biology class that I’m wasting my money and time in, then I’ll do it and not feel bad. I’ve probably only cheated twice, one of them I mentioned before, the professor uploaded the answer keys to the tests and my friend found them and emailed them to me. There was no way I wasn’t going to study that thing having it thrown in my lap. I’ve also put equations in my calculator as well but 99% of the time I never had to use them anyway. Also, like you said, a lot of times cheating is harder than actually studying.
Yes, because God forbid you actually get a formal education or become a well-rounded person in college…
id like to point that george bush jr. cheated, because from i remember he “earned” an MBA from harvard (ya…oook). im just saying
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Roberth
hmm there’s too many points of view on this topic to not have arguments about it.
On one hand, yes, it’s “good” to be well rounded in different subjects, but it’s how colleges go about it. Gym? really?
You can’t deny that money doesn’t factor into the equation of what schools are putting into the curriculum and what they can offer, otherwise, there wouldn’t be tests that determine a schools funding.
Nobody is wrong in what they’re saying. It just comes down to who’s willing to put up with it, which is sad because it screws everyone over in some way.
yeah, we had a crew in college that cheated on everything. One girl used to write all her notes on her inner thigh and wear skirts to see it. We had these epic cheat sheets made up that had pretty much the whole book on them but you could fold them up into the palm of your hand. Sometimes if someone wouldn’t know a program, someone would write it out and pass the sheet around the whole class. One time on the calc test a guy in the first class saved the whole thing on disc and passed it off to us in the second class. Another time me and my buddy finished, i looked at his work and noticed it was way wrong, so i just changed some shit on my program saved it on a disk and distracted the teacher while he switched the disk he handed in. One guy had a job with the school, found the exam in a teachers desk a couple nights before, we worked on it before the exam. Any test that was on your laptop everyone was on msn talking. haha…college was too funny.
Yes, bowling and walking class were very educational.
It’s also convenient that all these classes not related to my major but are suppose to make my education “well rounded” costs me thousands of dollars.
i dont know what university you went to, but you went to a REALLY wack university if they forced (being the operative word) you take a walking class and a bowling class. and even more wack if they were more than 1 credit. so you are either trying to pull shit out of your ass to make a point, or you went to a higher education establishment of lower standards.
seriously, id like to know who here, that went to college, where forced to take a “walking or bowling class” besides tanner.
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Roberth
A lot of degrees require 2 PE classes. We had a lot of worthless shit to choose from but those are the two I took. I didn’t say my CS major “required bowling and walking” classes specifically, don’t be an idiot.