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I think that’s a really important point. When they’re good with their assists it’s a lot harder to get into that optimal range, but it’s worth it to discourage flight.

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have you played against any good painwheels yet?

-dime

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lol Painwheel is a bitch to fight against with Bella, I can tell coz I use both characters and I can notice how derpy it is for Bella if my painwheel is all upclose and personal, plus I’ve played my share of painwheels… Bella definitely has tools to deal with the matchup, its still a pain though.

A matchup thats really stupid though is Double, fuckin hate this gross stupid looking character so godamn much.

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It’s been ages but there was a guy at SNL who seemed pretty good with her. I do need more games against him now that we have more experience. I need more games full stop.

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hmmm… yeah, me to as well. i havent played since playing you save for one offline session. i’d go on more but our connection is funky, and it can only be worse now that my connection has takn a shit dive into the crapper (getting variable speeds from 500 kb/s to 4 Mb/s) compared to my speed when we played which was around 9-10 Mb/s and since im going to be starting a 4-1 roster at the mines my time will be even more limited… basically to the point that i dont think i will have time for fighting games :frowning:

it sucks that the NBN is taking so long to come into fruition. sigh… where do you live anyways, i do want to get some games in… bad connection or not.

sorry to you bellas for this being offtopic al i know s that its a bitch to play against bella with painwheel if the bella player is content to sit back and try to snipe via her AA’s: cr.hp,j.hp and excelebella.

-dime

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Double matchup seems manageable.

I say this because I’m nowhere as good as Combo Knight and was able to take rounds off.

Painwheel V Bella though, I can fight the shittiest painwheel and as long as they know their bnb(WHICH IS FUCKING STUPID, PEOPLE WANT TO COMPLAIN ABOUT CEREBELLA’S DAMAGE BUT THAT BITCH CAN DO 60% 2 V 1 AND EVERY SINGLE TOUCH IS POTENTIAL RESET MAN THAT’S JUST DUMB) they can own my soul.

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Oh, just found something new vs Painwheel. When she’s up in the air, around the range where you know where she’ll start attacking but you don’t have any reliable options at that angle, Lock n’ Load will get you to the other side and may knock them on their way down. I’ve been using the mp version (even though I just learned it 5 minutes ago), it seems like the best version being fast with armor. Although, HP one may get them to attack quickly when they wouldn’t have otherwise. Still have to experiment.

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I’m sure most of you know this, but for those that don’t.

You can super cancel right at the end of lock n load, making it a pretty slick way to get in and 360.

(Too far to 360, lock n’ load, 360 at the end of the lock and load, the dash will have covered that distance, especially with HP lock n load)

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Yeah, the lock n load into 360 makes the 360 slide up to them even when you cancel it. The amount that people jump in this game though i dont really use it.

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I use it in the corner, or if a Peacock is trying to get cute, same with Ms.Fortune.

She thinks because she has the better buttons she can stay on the ground? Treat her to dat 360, unless it’s Guitalex, then you just lose.

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I recorded like 2 hours of fights with Dime x’s painwheel today. Should I upload everything in big chunks or sort it for useful information matchup wise?

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I think chunks would be better. Just showing what works isn’t enough, we need to see when it doesn’t work. imo.

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It’s bad but what ended up working was just lots and lots of j.MP. It’ll take a while to upload the whole thing.

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yo FUCK jumping medium punch… on the real.

also, my painwheel is ass. pls dont troll the shit out of me for my incredibly horrid play half in lag the other half, er not so bad. also AOF make sure you put up all my wins… i need that. in case anyone is wondering i think he ended up beating me by about a ratio of 30 games to 2… no lie. i feel bad. like i need to stick my head in the sand in shame bad :frowning:

-dime

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Well, long as you keep learning things from them, that many loses in one sitting are nothing to be ashamed of. It simply means that you learned 30 times what not to do.

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shouldve just pulled out your filia! also would you fancy some games against my bella sometime? ive played you a couple of times before and got like a 60 ping connection or so.

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i think you’ve got me confused with someone else, i dont ever use filia (first time was yesterday against AOF) and the only game that ive played against other people online was mvc3 and sfxt… i didnt play either passed ike a week though.

if there is some imposter running my name, go ahead and call hm a scrub for me… i wasnt able to get my actual Dime_x GT from the states. which was xx dime x xx (with capitalizations) now i run DIMEnsion eXit as my GT and thats the name that dime_x has always stood for. if its any other GT it isnt me.

-dime

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ah yea sorry i think i have lol! whoops. sorry about that ha ha. think i misread it or something

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All of it’s posted in the video thread now. From playing and rewatching those games, there’s a couple of things I think I’ve concluded about the Painwheel matchup.

While Painwheel is in the air at a distance, there’s a danger that she’ll either call an assist and approach overhead, or will come down diagonally suddenly (usually with j.MP). There’s a range where her j.MP will come out before anything you do to chase her down comes out, further than that is neutral, and just inside that range is the range where a dash jump j.MP can stuff an attack/swat her down from flying. That range is in Cerebella’s favour unless painwheel’s assist dominates the ground, since if you get locked down or hit in that range, she can come down for a mixup/combo pretty easily. Dime and I were discussing whether hatred guard could be used to deal with j.MP but until I see it I think this is pretty viable.

The other thing was when Painwheel was cornered, lockdown with Hornet bomber + j.MP at almost max merry-go-rilla range was pretty effective. I would watch out for stunt doubles though.

Excellabella as an assist while fighting Painwheel seems really good.

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i agree with all of this. after rewatching some of the vids myself (and getting salty again in hindsight) i was appalled at my play, but i also saw how much double assist was really helping bella out. it wasnt only the assist, its taunt animation got in my way MANY times and actually got me killed… which is one reason why my strat of making your double assist wiff then call mine wasnt working… my assist would hit yours and all the lockdown time would get negated. also you empty jump with double assist ALOT and that pretty much puts up a wall that is near impossible for (my) painwheel to get around (without airthrowing) cause of ground invincibility plus your airblock eating up my jump attacks active frames making me get hit by the bomber. ALSO… LOL, just to let it be known here, im literally holding up almost everytime you do 3 string into command grab yet i still get ground thrown… its because of lag. basically if i jump as soon as the cr.HP is blocked the lag will prevent me from jumping out, SO, i have to input my jump basically just as your cr.mp is blocked… its really really annoying… but it is what it is… for whatever reason pushblock seems more effective late into the string than holding upback, also i try and flight cancel the anticipated command grab alot since PW’s flight is airborn on frame 1 and allows me an easy punish… but because of the lag… it just never comes out (which is funny cause hornet bomber and updo were coming out about 30% of the time) i was also missing simple jump back into flight… all those jump back lks and stuff that happen at neutral are me trying to get a flight out and it not coming out… i miss inputs all day online for some reason… i dont have that problem at all offline. i dont know what gives.

if you’d be willing can we get some bella/pain 1v1’s going next time we play? you can record those as well, i just want to see how much of the matchup problem is double assist and how much is just bella. i have a feeling that without double assist that the matchup will be alot less lopsided i basicaly think shes just a much better user of hornet bomber than PW cause she has that command run… though that is only a theory. if i am correct then all the bellas in this forum need to do is get off that solo tip and throw double in there games.

but yeah, would definitely like to do some 1v1 versus you as the lag in the 1v1’s seems to be less as well. :slight_smile:

-dime