Cannon Spike! The Cammy Thread

Really? I find that even at full range, Ken can just walk up and sweep you as you’re landing without any problems…

Yes that’s true, but only if it’s a Jab Hadoken. You’re fine if you cancel Jab Hooligan on a Strong or Fierce Hadoken. You’re better off neutral jumping Jab Hadokens anyway.

Will Ken be able to connect with a fierce SRK after a neutral jump over a jab fireball?

Pretty sure not from full screen. Maybe from half screen, but it takes some serious reflexes to hit Cammy neutral jumping. Even from quarter screen only extremely good players would be able to hit that, I’ve never seen it happen yet, so I wouldn’t worry too much about it.

To put that into perspective, the only person who has done it to me consistently is Damdai… so… yeah.

sigh Am I the only one who has trouble with her easier matchups (Gief, Hawk)? It seems like I know what to do vs. fireball characters or anyone else for that matter, but I can’t seem to find an easy way to beat these characters. I’ve read that cr. mk beats these guys pretty easily, but it just doesn’t work for me. So what I tend to do is stay far away and let them come to me, using normals to push them back out (my zoning game sucks, hence I am using Cammy, ha). All they need is that one knockdown and then I’m kinda screwed (this is especially true with Gief). Could anyone lend me any tips?

Not that I’m much of an expert on Cammy, but when I’m screwing around with her vs T.Hawk, mostly I just do a bajillion thrust kicks. He jumps? Thrust kick. Get in range for it on the ground, thrust kick. I knock him down, meaty thrust kick. I get knocked down somehow and he moves anywhere near me, reversal thrust kick. As far as I know, it’s safe on block (!) and most of the time it beats his Rising Hawk (!!) so it’s pretty damn good.

Naw, Rising Hawk has more invincibility frames than Thrust Kick, so it will beat it nearly every time. And Sirlin’s balance to the Thrust Kick included worse recovery so Hawk could retaliate with standing roundhouse. Even at max range I think she could still get hit. But that was the answer originally in vanilla ST…you could Thrust Kick all day and he couldn’t do anything about it.

Medium kick. Standing medium kick and crouching medium kick tend to ruin T.Hawk and Zangief. Just DP them when you see them jump and footsie with medium kick. If they block Cammy’s DP up close, you’re going to get punished as you said, so don’t hesitate and don’t let yourself get put in a block situation. “Safer” spiral arrows can be Tomahawk Buster’d so make sure you’re not putting any obvious rhythms out there if you’re relying on that bootleg pressure.

Cammy has other great buttons in some situations. Far standing MP is good, just don’t get swept. Medium kick sets up everything, though. If you aren’t DPing obvious jumps, there’s your problem.

Ya, my DP reaction needs a bit of work. I like to think that pressuring Hawk with walk forward cr. mk would work well? St. mk is sometimes decent, but that one lariat that manages to knock me down when I’m doing it just completely screws me for the rest of the match.

I love cammy just throwing my two cents since i have been maining her alot more now… i’ll try and give some tips of what I do personally do against certain match ups

Against hawk thrust kicks are your best weapon besides that i just mix up the hooligan game up alot…

Alright cool! Would love to hear some feedback from ya :slight_smile:

As a Zangief main, a lot of Cammy players try to get too fancy. Beating Zangief with Cammy is about two things: poking and reflexes.

Standing mk and c.mk are two great pokes. Standing mk comes out very fast and beats most of Zangief’s ground normals, while c.mk has great range and good recovery. Thrust kick is good chip damage, and Zangief can’t reliably punish on block. Max range cannon drills are usable and only punishable if you miss or if Zangief counters with a psychic sweep. If you train Zangief to go on the defensive to avoid your mk pokes, you can slip some hooligan throws in… even if Zangief lariats on reaction, half the time you can throw him through the lariat anyway.

You have three main things to react to. First, thrust kick all of Zangief’s jump-ins. You might trade with the knee drop if the timing is just right, but Zangief doesn’t have anything that’ll cleanly hit a properly spaced thrust kick. Second, use your standing mk if Zangief hops in for a piledriver. The hitbox on the hop is wretched, so as long as you time the mk properly, you’ll hit him cleanly. Finally, thrust kick Zangief’s green hand attempts. If he gets close enough to tick you with it, the SPD is coming so you’ll need to reversal thrust kick. If he whiffs in an attempt to get closer, thrust kick on reaction.

95% of this match is going to be Zangief trying to get in on you, and you keeping him out with your mk pokes and your reactions. Don’t jump offensively. Don’t use your backhand. Don’t cannon drill from anywhere except max range, or you’ll get punished with the SPD.

As Zangief, I spend most of the fight hoping you’ll make a mistake. I’m looking for you to cannon drill too deeply or screw up your attack chain after a jump-in so I can SPD you. I’m throwing out empty sweeps, whiffed lariats, and vertical jumps hoping that I can psychically catch you sticking something out that will lead to a knockdown. I’m hoping you’ll be so preoccupied with my little sweep/lariat dance that I can sneak a hop/green hand past your reversals and score a SPD. I’m hoping you go easy on the hooligan throws, because they’re tough to react to.

Most of all, when you knock me down, I’m hoping you snuggle up and try silly meaty attack shenanigans. That makes my job so much easier, because you voluntarily put yourself right where I want you – in SPD range :slight_smile:

I hear most Cammy players say that Ryu is tougher than Ken. What do you guys think of Cammy vs Sagat? Tougher than Ryu or easier than Ken? IMO Sagat is easier than Ken for Cammy players. Weaker Uppercut that is less safe on block, longer limbs after fireballs. The only things that Sagat has over Ryu or Ken in this matchup IMO is his High Tigers that Cammy can’t Backfist through unless it’s Fierce and Tiger Knees that are good as a surprise attack for advancing Cammy players. I’m curious what Cammy players think of this matchup.

I disagree. I think Ken is tougher than Ryu. You can’t even surprise backfist through Ken’s fireball. Ken’s jab fireball is so slow it can totally screw up neutral jumping over it. Farther range on fierce DP makes anti-airing even easier…

I agree Sagat is easier than either of those two in HDR. Sagat doesn’t have near as many invulnerability frames on TU and certainly takes the longest to recover making punishing easier. The trick for Sagat is to mix up the high / low tiger shot game to get Cammy to take a couple square in the face. Tiger Knee juggles do suck, but I feel this matchup while in Sagat’s favor is less so than say Ken or Ryu.

I think Sagat is harder that both ryu and ken i have played against Stiffpeter, lightsout, and sirlins sagat and its not easy at all. They know how to zone out cammy very well which makes me scared off even throwing out any moves because they punish with tiger knee for like 50% of my life…

Ken is harder than ryu for sure and i find the ryu match very fun unless your up against DGV i’ll see how i do this weekend at Ranbats with cammy

Thanks for the input guys, Silver and Mongolo. I have heard some Cammy players say that Ken is tougher than Ryu, but, yeah, there are a lot of different opinions. I’m just deciding whether to main Sagat or stick with Ryu or Ken. He does have an even more difficult time vs Dhalsim, which is a big dealbreaker for me, but Vega and Balrog are kinda easier, IDK the weaker Uppercut really throws me off, but Sagat is really growing on me. = J

We need more Cammy players yo! Good luck at the ranbats Mongolo.

Why are Chun Li’s fireballs so big and fat and slow? Why are all the holes in her blockstrings chock full of lightning legs? Why is her throw range a million miles wide?

Yes. Ken is tougher than Ryu exactly for these reasons.

Hey Milo, good to see ya again. BTW, anytime you want to agree with me, feel free. :smiley: Disagree, and I revoke your membership to the Sarah Palin fanclub. lol j/k