Can someone please tell me what a fighting game is

[shiningnegro]

Fighting Game is:
-a game that pits one person against another in real time
-characters use martial arts or something of the sort
-and the game gets flamed all the time for being scrub friendly or too hard w/e

[J.Scogz]

I haven’t really had any experience with the Alpha games, though. Something about them just doesn’t feel right to me. I should probably get more familiar with them though since I find it inexcusable considering the kind of gamer I am.

I’m going to suggest Alpha 2… It’s probably the one that’s closest to feeling like a real SF game.
Alpha 1 isn’t worth learning, except maybe to try out for an hour or something.
Alpha 3 is a completely different game… It feels like some pseudo CvS2 + Guilty Gear juggling, but with SF physics.

[oldschool_BR]

The part I don’t agree with is the SF2 part. While SF2 was definitely a catalyst to the movement, it didn’t give birth to it. The genre had a lot of other support, and don’t forget that SF2 was ONLY popular in the states and Japan. The rest of the world catered more towards the SNK fighters.

Not really. In most countries, SF is more popular. Nothing came close to SF2, in terms of popularity, and it only started to decrease by the time the market was flooded with clones, to the point people could not tell the good ones from the bad ones. While it may be true that in many South American countries KoF is being played at the arcades, there are barely any arcades, so that alone tells it is not really popular in a broad sense. There are no cabs at bars, universities, gas stations and small shops, like there used to be at the SF2 era. I am willing to bet money that if you make a survey in any country in the world as ask females aged from 25 to 35, there will be around 10 times more of them who know who Chun Li is, in relation to the ones who know who Mai Shiranui is. Or more. By the time those KoF games started to appear around here, most SF2 cabinets had already been removed by the operators in favor of Alpha and MvC1 ones, too. Arcade operators have always been pretty incompetent when it comes to running their own business.

[J.Scogz]

Not really. In most countries, SF is more popular. Nothing came close to SF2, in terms of popularity, and it only started to decrease by the time the market was flooded with clones, to the point people could not tell the good ones from the bad ones. While it may be true that in many South American countries KoF is being played at the arcades, there are barely any arcades, so that alone tells it is not really popular in a broad sense. There are no cabs at bars, universities, gas stations and small shops, like there used to be at the SF2 era. I am willing to bet money that if you make a survey in any country in the world as ask females aged from 25 to 35, there will be around 10 times more of them who know who Chun Li is, in relation to the ones who know who Mai Shiranui is. Or more. By the time those KoF games started to appear around here, most SF2 cabinets had already been removed by the operators in favor of Alpha and MvC1 ones, too. Arcade operators have always been pretty incompetent when it comes to run their own business.

Ahh, then I stand corrected. I was misinformed.

[Mr.X]

This…

My problem with THIS though, is that last sentence. It’s fine that it’s keeping up with the times. But the fact that today’s player wants over 20 years of knowledge of the genre handed to them and EXPECTS it to be is a little uncalled for.

True, but I got to think those people aren’t the majority, just really loud. There seems to be a lot of people eager to learn and are absorbing the knowledge however they can.

You got to wonder how no modern fighting game has a tutorial mode half as good as VF4 Evo yet.

I wouldn’t say that you’ll catch hate from me, but I feel like if you had more experience with MvC2, you’d like it more.

I haven’t really played it much, but I find MvC2 much more interesting to watch, and it seems like it has so many more intricacies than MvC3.

I haven’t really had any experience with the Alpha games, though. Something about them just doesn’t feel right to me. I should probably get more familiar with them though since I find it inexcusable considering the kind of gamer I am.

I would probably have a better appreciation for MvC2 now than then.

I still have those Tips and Tricks magazines with the arcade section in the back with Justin Wong name on like every MvC2 ranking lol. Back then I was like “how could he win with those guys” and would try them out. No internet or youtube back then, no idea how MvC2 was suppose to be played.

[Emanuelb]

[LIST]
[]Longevity- now a days all the kids have to do is pout and they get a new edition of the game (at full retail price) or some sort of releveling (which completely wipes out any practice you had of the time the game came out originally and now)
[]No Button Mashing- all someone has to do now a days is hit random buttons to get out a bloody combo, and since almost EVERY game now has air juggles (and easily executed infinite combos) it becomes ridiculous 80% of the time.
[]Strategy was needed- In street fighter 2 you knew chun li could potentially come down with a toe/heel tap so you needed to watch out when she was in the air. Now, almost everyone has a super/special/blow you away move so when you button mash strategy no longer matters…
[]Less Flashing Lights- call me old, but that crap often leaves me needing to take an aleve…this shit is not Pokemon.
[/LIST]
I could go on…but it doesn’t matter…

• Longevity: how many editions did have SF2 ? - CE, hyper fighting, Super, Super Turbo, hyper, HD remix. SF4 has only 2 - super and AE.
• Mashing: you kidding me. you wanna say in SF4 you can mash the buttons and get a combo ?
• Strategy: and in SF4 there’s no strategy involved ?
• SF vs X-men was quite flashy.

My thoughts on the OP. I got into fighting games in the early '90s. I played the original SF2 and MK2, and I loved them.
But nowadays ? they are pure nostalgia. Sure, they are good games, have a special place in FG’s history and in my heart, but right now I play SF4 and MK9. So, yes, it’s about nostalgia when people say that older games were better.
the same problem with other video games, with movies, etc - " they don’t make them as they udes to…" kind of things.
And yes, SF4 is a little more casual friendlly than the old school. And thanks Heaven for that.

[Qrazy]

• Longevity: how many editions did have SF2 ? - CE, hyper fighting, Super, Super Turbo, hyper, HD remix. SF4 has only 2 - super and AE.
• Mashing: you kidding me. you wanna say in SF4 you can mash the buttons and get a combo ?
• Strategy: and in SF4 there’s no strategy involved ?
• SF vs X-men was quite flashy.

My thoughts on the OP. I got into fighting games in the early '90s. I played the original SF2 and MK2, and I loved them.
But nowadays ? they are pure nostalgia. Sure, they are good games, have a special place in FG’s history and in my heart, but right now I play SF4 and MK9. So, yes, it’s about nostalgia when people say that older games were better.
the same problem with other video games, with movies, etc - " they don’t make them as they udes to…" kind of things.
And yes, SF4 is a little more casual friendlly than the old school. And thanks Heaven for that.

There is an exception to every rule…and naming one game does not take away from the rule…will post more when the site isn’t acting a donkey.

[J.Scogz]

An exception to a rule, by definition, makes it no longer a rule.

[piskooooo]

I wouldn’t say that you’ll catch hate from me, but I feel like if you had more experience with MvC2, you’d like it more.

I haven’t really played it much, but I find MvC2 much more interesting to watch, and it seems like it has so many more intricacies than MvC3.

HA HA HA HA HA HA LIGHTNING ATTACK HA HA HA HA HA HA SHADOW BLADE HA HA HA HA HA HAILSTORM

I love MvC2 but it’s just a fucking dumb as MvC3, if not worse.

[Qrazy]

An exception to a rule, by definition, makes it no longer a rule.

nice

[Hawkingbird]

I wouldn’t put too much stock on the whole “like the good ol’ days” hate. Capcom games have developed a habit of being vindicated by history. When I read threads dating to 2004 and such I was blown away on how hate 3S received. I believe CvS2 went through the same phase.

[keo-bas]

I’m having difficulty following this thread. Personally the old era has its perks and cons, just as this era of games have. But I’ll say that this era cons can be more tolerable than last era as networking has become more convenient. I think we can accomplish this if the community makes some changes, or its development is going to be slow and painful.

[J.Scogz]

I’m having difficulty following this thread. Personally the old era has its perks and cons, just as this era of games have. But I’ll say that this era cons can be more tolerable than last era as networking has become more convenient. I think we can accomplish this if the community makes some changes, or its development is going to be slow and painful.

That’s just it.

I feel like every era has it’s hate… and to be honest, the hate 3S received was there. The hate when MvC2 came out was there. The hate when Tekken 5DR came out was there…

What people fail to realize is that most of this “hating on newer generations” stems from this sort of example.

2003 user comes in, complaining about MvC2
2003 user, over time, gets used to the community
2003 user complains about MvC3 because of the “good ol’ days” argument
2011 user walks into a mess.
2003 user doesn’t remember what was said 8 years ago.

I fall into this many times…
I will say it again though, I stand by the fact that I don’t like the attitude this online-fighting game generation has. I get way too much vulgarity around both SRK and PSN. I regret being such an asshole, even last year when my account (Mixah) was permabanned. There’s so much I could have learned, had I just listened and not opened my damn mouth about every little shit and fart, and not been such an internet badass. I hope that newcomers learn from my lesson.

EDIT:

I want to clear something up, and I’m sure nobody cares but the answer to this question:
Why is J.Scogz so angry towards the community?

You know this feeling, when you grow up with somebody, and lose track of them over college. You grow up separate lives, have families… meet back up one day with all these fond memories of your old high school self, but you find out that the both of you are two completely different people?

That’s how I feel every time I hear a scrub come here and diss the old scene when they were sucking their mom’s tits when we were dumping allowances into machines. I have no right to judge the way people dressed in the 80s… I was 5 when the 80s were over.

That’s how I feel every time somebody shows hate towards a new player who’s LEGIT trying to learn a game, and some vet treats them like they’re a second class citizen. Nobody kicked your fat ass out of an arcade, did they?

That’s how I feel when people come around, constantly complaining and complaining and doing NOTHING but complaining. I suppose your parents gave you a toy whenever you asked… My dad smacked me if he had to say “no” twice.

That’s how I feel when people throw vulgar trash talking around. We used to say shit to each other in terms of games. We used to make fun of what the next dude was wearing. When did it become cool to start calling people “faggots” or “assholes” over a video game? Shit, we would diss each other until 3am, then go out for a meal before we hopped on our trains back to our homes. But the disses weren’t even disses. They were, “Oh, you’re one of those cheap Chun Li jump around all day with that lk players?”