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Man really amazing stream on the weekend
as always Spooky was GREAT

But besides aquasilk and luckyD’s matches, I found SF4 extremely boring to watch
Marvel was so interesting because I honestly have no idea how the mechanics of the game work
Justin just rips shit up and with such a wierd team

I found myself muting the stream ALOT!

DSP is a fucking horrible commentator the guy knew nothing about MVC, and all he kept doing was mirroring Dnyce while screaming OTG, and DHC like he knew what was happening.
The random people on the stream were just horrible, I know its hard to keep shit fresh after hours of talking but if you have nothing to add to the commentating its best just to leave it to someone else.
The worst would be Chris Hu, I remember when he first commentated the guy was hilarious but now all he says “is that right” “ok ok” shit like that and its like wtf man your adding nothing

After watching so many streams after these years I can say that my favorites are Skisonic are Ultradavid they are so informative and likeable not only do they talk about whats happening they talk about options and how crazy it was. They are able to point out when things were mistakes and what would have been the better option, or if things were done outta safety.

I enjoy James Chen too I wish I knew him in real life though so I could tell him your a great commentator but when shit happens on the stream its crazy annoying when your screaming OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOH

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I think what makes SSF4 boring to watch right now is that nothing new can be taken from these matches it’s boiling down to the same strategies and matches we’ve seen in the past few months. There’s nothing new or exciting to take from these matches like even if we see a new OS, CH setup, frame trap, etc… It’s all the same to us because it’s the same few characters (although more varied then in other fighters) winning with the same strategies that we are accustomed to. AE is out and developing and we’re seeing new characters take top 10 spots. I watched the NSB grand finals on SRK front page and thought it was pretty exciting to see a Makoto, Ibuki, and Sagat in the grand finals. Come a few months to a year from now that’ll probably be boring since it’s pretty clear that Yun will most likely be in the top 10.

MVC3 will probably look boring once the initial appeal of a new fighter wears off and once the meta starts to develop further and people start learning match ups. It could get really boring if the number of viable teams dwindle to a certain select few team combinations but based on how the game is I still believe the game will have a lot of variety in competitive teams and even Sentinel won’t determine things. Sentinel will definitely be common in teams for several months to come if not permanently but he will not be the determining factor as long as people like Justin Wong continue to prove that you can win with good team composition and smart play.

I don’t know I think the only fighters that I can’t get sick of watching high level play is ST, MVC2, and Guilty Gear. There’s several obscure fighters I like to watch but it’s usually really rare to see high level play of those fighters.

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Yun is amazing.

Japanese Vipers are way, way good. Nobody can complain about how bad Viper is, ever again. Come to Japan and see. There’s a reason they think she’s like top 5.

Press a button against Fei Long = you die. When Tokido says “when your opponent is Fei Long, you simply cannot move, that is it” he really means it. I think Fei is the clear #1 in AE.

I took a round off Gosho’s Rufus (SBO 2009 champ)!

It really is amazing how much better the level of play is over here (on average). The average Japanese player is just so, so much better than the average American/Canadian player, it’s not even close.

I come back and Mike C is temp-banned for trolling? lol

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Obviously I don’t play this game on Jwong’s level (or even yours lol), but I totally agree. After attending a tournament with the game for the first time and seeing the different ways he was used (on point, anchor…) it’s pretty obvious he has his weaknesses.

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Besides Yun, Yang, and Makoto who are you seeing being commonly used in Japan?

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this is truth:
i dropped sentinel (cuz fuck sentinel, i was sick of ruining the game by using him all the time)
…and now i suck. he’s probably the biggest noob cannon ever made. old news, i’m know.

stuck with morrigan for a bit, but i got too far into doing the same combos over and over… hence making my learning curve come to a plateau. so i dropped her.

mixed it up a bit with bionic commando, but his combos are way to difficult to get initialized. the only reason i was using him was for that really nice ABC, qcf S into wall bounce ultra, into secondary character ultra. big damage, but not worth the setup as i find myself taking a shit ton of damage before being able to land it.

so, now i’m struggling to find another team. i got to learn a lot of OTG assist into combos into ultras, specifically with Zero / Deadpool. Zero’s great, but his fucking stamina is retarded.

there is a shit ton of options in this game, i love how every character is truly unique. i need to get better at keep-aways and countering but it just seems so difficult. perhaps i need to start calling upon lord shiva and the wonderful mountain spinach to focus and see things through more efficiently. will experiment tonight, lol.

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dug - you can combo into tempest full screen after a mag loopx4

otg with someone like wesker while you do the super, he shoots the bounded oponnent right into it, making you do 700k for 1 meter

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not gonna lie. i enjoyed the mvc3 stream. j wong is amazing. but wtf? no ssf4 singles??? booooooooooooooooo deep breath… boooooooooo

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You don’t even need an OTG assist you can use something like Dante’s Jam Session like do the loop end in s.H, Jam Session, Hyper Grav., Tempest.

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I’m so jealous you are playing SF4 in Japan :frowning: I’ve wanted to go there so bad for so long… sigh

imo Dante and Dormammu are both good counterpicks to Sent, Dante probably moreso. a point character with a good beam and a pillar assist like Dorm or Dante’s captain commando assist can lock sentinel down really hard. a lot of chars have crazy instant overheads on him that make it really hard to block stuff properly. Sent can survive one more combo than most chars but if he is such a pain in the ass, x-factor into your lvl3… Wesker can kill a Sent in one touch no problem and he can mix him up really well too

Bionic Commando ain’t so bad… learn how to tiger knee his grappling hook OTG and that is pretty much all you have to do with him execution wise. I’ve got a sneaking suspicion he’s low tier though. without good assists to back him up I don’t see how he’d get in, but I gotta mess with his swing grapple more to see if it is as good as taskmaster mighty swing/spiderman web swing
Spencer not having a lvl3 hyper also sucks big time. his combos do great damage already, if you could tag on an extra 400k unscaled at the end of his combos that’d be nice

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does this work midscreen? the s.h sends them flying from my experience, unless jam session keeps them in place

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It works midscreen there’s a vid in the combo thread. I can’t remember the timing between the s.H and Jam Session but if you time it right it works. The tricky part was timing the Hyper Grav so it hits just as Jam Session finishes.

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im switching dante out for deadpool right now, and maybe even mag out for someone else too, who knows

i just dislike using dante alot, hes plain old not fun

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how dare you say those words foger

command jumping and teleporting out of everything is so fun =D

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i just dont like how he plays, sure hes got a teleport, an instant overhead with iad+h, cool looking combos blah blah blah blah

but hes just no fun to actually physically sit down and press buttons to play as for me. not sure why either :frowning:

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dante’s a douche! although deadpool is soooo annoying lol. kind of a catch 22 there.

i’m gonna have to try that stuff you mentioned, cody. i want spencer to work… every once and a while i pull some pretty fantastic shit.

i really love his command repelling arm (l+s) i find if you spam it, it sometimes works to get you out of some nasty shit. here’s a question: lets say he’s the third in on an assisted air-combo. the obvious thing to do would be M,M,H - if you hit S it’s gonna send your opponent flying to the ground - he’s so god damn floaty that by the time you get down your opponent has already gotten up and is lining up a retaliation. you can’t even go into ultra as his don’t work in the air. unless i’m completely wrong. fuck, i dunno. WWCD ?

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it’s the unfly.H in this combo i can’t seem to get: [media=youtube]rFR2sYQ775o[/media]

i guess greg is right i’m just doing it too fast.

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Watching some tragic / isedelica combos certainly proves byron’s statement (scrub friendly combos > intense combos) right

Some of the most intense, most ridiculous combos they do do marginally more damage than basic BnB’s

I think what a real skill for players in this game will be is not necessarily having sick combos, but reacting to situations in which you hit someone in a strange way and improvise your combo to make it work

Like if there’s an errant assist, or an air to air or something. This game allows you to capitalize on every hit but i don’t think it should come as a surprise that long combos are useless: hit stun decay and etc.

Knowing your juggle states, moves that you can use to extend combos, jump cancels, etc., will be really important

Much more so than frame data because there are so few links in this game

The better MVC3 offensive player will be the better one at hit confirming. The better defensive players will simply have better timing. I find with dormammu if i’m trying to power up while keeping someone out and i do a command (store spell) too early I trip up and lose a ton of momentum. same with arthur’s wall of daggers n shit

had some fun with super skrull, spencer, dormammu, and arthur yesterday. falken and i had some pretty sick matches but he beat up my mains pretty good. Must train harder ~

Also online in this game is suuuuuuuch a waste of time. if you guys see me online, seriously, don’t bother inviting me, i’m not joining. it’s not worth it at all

EDIT: Also i just saw a video with senor doom in which he combos air M (electric hands) off of FOOT DIVE! That makes a tooooooooon of sense. my offense consists of all this shitty get close with ground moves to dash cancel blah blah blah well i’m not ever in range to do that. relying on foot dive will make things a lot easier, that move is boss.

Doom is easily the weakest point on my team. Fuckin falken just ran away with deadpool over and over and I couldn’t do shit about it, lmao. i know if i GET grabs doom can put a looooooot of hurt on but it’s like… god damn lol

Deadpool is the one lame character right now who has been giving me a lots of trouble. granted falken’s deadpool is pretty good but man pineapple and gun shots is so hard to deal with right now!

edit 2: also yesterday arthur did some pretty sick shit, lance DESTROYED deadpools shit every time. some super fun matches with falken in which we both played sooooo lame. Arthur is so ridiculously fun to play. he seriously seems so braindead it’s unreal, like his projectile capabilities are just insanely fun to use. but man when people get in its a nightmare, his mobility is so hilariously bad. sick character though, like sentinel his skill ceiling seems so low but i think it’s a little more complicated than that. Also, at one point, spencer’s grapple destroyed all of deadpools bullets and annihilated him. i think in the guide it says that spencer’s grapple can not really handle projectiles at all but if there is a matchup in which he can do that that’s pretty sick. I agree with derryk, spencer is so cool to play but i think in an assist war he’ll lose pretty hard unless you DESIGN your team around him. and his mixups are so unsafe… You will have to work so hard to win with him. skrull is pretty bad at the lame war too but his down fierce in the air is sick and his damage is insane. There are so many sick characters in this game. just can’t wait to learn more more MORE

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dead pool is sick

10 seconds left?

bolo loop motha fucka, time that ass out

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you can do your air series but stop before pressing S and then go for a bit of a reset I suppose, either start hitting him with normals again or air throw him. Spencer’s air movement options are pretty limited so I’m not quite sure if its worth it. if you haven’t wall bounced yet, you could try and hit him with a grapple & follow it up but I think its too slow to use at that point in a combo. lemme spend some time in the lab and I’ll get back to you