Ryuga
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Too sick.
But yeah, Viper’s shaping up to be the same, judging by what the developers have said. Ultra 2 “buff” doesn’t really mean anything lol. So, once again, it’s down to how other characters are getting nerfed that’ll change things for Viper, match-up wise. Unless she got some secret buffs they didn’t wanna mention, but I’m not holding my breath for that. Oh well, I won’t be playing this version for a while anyway, have to wait and see if Capcom will put it on console(can’t use stick
.) I can’t complain if they’re leaving her the same, at least she didn’t get nerfed.
That’s the scary part. What Seth supposedly said hints at unmentioned nerfs. 
Besides, life is harder with everyone getting godlike normals anyway.
I think I’m gonna have to start lurking around in Fei/Yun/Yang threads. lol
i will be playing ae tomorrow i will give you guys the heads up on how she is
mikoal
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yea thats what i thought at first too…but u dont see him putting dhalsim up there, even though sim is in actuality top.
nerfs? i wouldnt be surprised. Remember what Seth said that viper will be top tier in super? And all we saw were nerfs?
and yes EVERYONE has godlike normals…except viper lol but its ok, we viper players…we like the challenge, we’ll sit block, tech and eat CH setups all day long and still love it!
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Ryuga
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She’d better not get any nerfs lol.
And thanks for the vid Dragonfave, shame the Viper got smacked up. 
We’re (socal) supposed to be getting it today too… but so far, no go. 
I will fill you guys in asap, as well…
Looks like lpTK and 6hk come out slightly faster than before. Anyone else notice that?
mikoal
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haha, we gotta becareful with these vids.
We all thought ex tk was “Faster” and when we want biuffs so bad, we tend to look for things that aren’t there.
Also c.mp speed buff? i dont think thats the case, maybe just hit box buff…
_ynic
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0.44 at least we know for sure that cr mk hasnt been fixed… rofl
edit. nm prolly more due to the Ryu player backdashing.
Ryuga
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To be honest, I don’t think her cr.mk will ever get fixed lol.
It looks it has a good hitbox in MVC3 atleast 
jblair
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I don’t care about mvc3. This is sf4. Tired of everyone referencing daigo
But Daigo is like the architect from the matrix! He made SF4 and knows everything single detail about it!
Honestly, it doesn’t look like a whole lot of anything changed. All they needed to do was add yun and yang. Escape Tatsu didn’t matter, Cammy should have kept the tkcs, all the Ultras didn’t need to be touched (hi2u Rose & Abel). I don’t want to see this published for console, fuck it, the JP can keep this one.
What does Daigo have to do with what i said?
Nothing. He is referring to the jack ass who mentioned Daigo thought she was top tier like it was now fact because he said so. Daigo doesn’t know shit about anything if it isn’t Ryu or the system mechanics of the game… well, I’ll give him more credit than that, but he definitely isn’t one to be talking about tier lists or placement.
Oh, I agree with that.But he also seems to know what’s he talking about when it’s about Yun, who seems may be a character we’ll se him play.
mikoal
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hmmm starting to get a bit annoyed with Daigo’s comment
"I think he just happens to have good match ups against AE?s best characters. In Vanilla, the top tiers, Sagat and Akuma, happened to be bad match ups for Zangief. But now the best characters, C. Viper, Yun, Yang, etc."
AE has arrived at SoCal.
I’ll go check it out. No guarantees that I’ll get to play much, though.
I guess I’ll bring a book or something.
PS: If there’s anything specific you guys want me to check, please post here within the next couple of hours. :]