Button to block?

[abkallday]

There’s nothing else to discuss. The type of blocking is relevant to the system its being built in, regardless of it being 2D, 3D. People say the thread ended with Tony’s post but in truth…Reno pretty much summed it up way before that.

And SoulCalibur 2,3,4 suck. Now we’re done.

Never diss soul calibur 2

[Farpenoodle]

Let’s not go there.

[Tim_Static]

Block button works for MK, and when I say MK, i dont mean 3d MK.

[Ilthuain]

I don’t remember having to press a button to block in MK. Which button is it?

The run button.

[Rawr_Bear]

Stuff

It’s worth pointing out that from a design/programming perspective it’s totally possible to make a game where you only block if you’d have been hit with something (and you were also holding back). Apparently no games do this? But it’s easy to just check to see if back is being held on hit rather than at some other time. Then you can walk backwards, or jump back or whatever all you like so long as you wouldn’t actually get clipped by an attack.

[bbq_sauce]

It has nothing to do with relevance and it comes down to functionality. Holding back to block prevents movement. In mvc2, you have that full screen jab trap from sf2. If you try to dash back during twitch guard, even though nothing is touching you, its a 2 frame input just to move backwards. Why is trying to move backwards a fucking just frame? It shouldn’t be like that. Characters like strider who have very little movement anyway still get fucked cause he can’t double jump upbck when there is something to block on the screen. Instead of double jumping, he gets locked into guard. So a character with bad movement is restricted even further due to holding back for block.

If you do it like ssf4 does with proximity guard, it doesn’t effect full screen but if you’re close to the poke and it doesn’t hit you, you’re now locked into block stun again. The only way out of this crap is to jump upbck and certain characters can counter that like ryu\sagat\guile all can counter that with a well timed FB.

Holding back to block actually does fuck up the games cause it restricts movement too much. Its just that its been here forever and everyone is used to it.

You can’t design a block button like MK, that would fuck up everything 2d wise. You would have to design a block button and then make sure back\dwnbck still triggers a block BUT only when block is being pressed. With this method, you still have 4 corner blocking in 2d games and proximity\full screen guard can be removed from fighters.

It would definitely make OS attacking much harder. Right now, we can hold dwnbck+attack for a 2n1 block\poke. To do that with block button, it becomes blokc+dwnbck+poke. Also while holding block on a joystick, its very hard to transition into other normals if its going to be a 6 button game. You’ll have 1 finger locked onto the stick while trying to tap the other 5 and that gets pretty complicated.

a block button certainly gets rid of a few problems but now a few different problems pop up.

I could be wrong, but, in the Guilty Gear series, you block with back, however, I can’t recall an instance where I was stuck in my blocking animation when I tried to walk back, no matter the distance between my character and my opponent’s.

My point being, the problem can obviously be solved, with out having to add a block button.

[comoesa]

I could be wrong, but, in the Guilty Gear series, you block with back, however, I can’t recall an instance where I was stuck in my blocking animation when I tried to walk back, no matter the distance between my character and my opponent’s.

My point being, the problem can obviously be solved, with out having to add a block button.

That is what is suppose to happen.

[shoultzula]

I could be wrong, but, in the Guilty Gear series, you block with back, however, I can’t recall an instance where I was stuck in my blocking animation when I tried to walk back, no matter the distance between my character and my opponent’s.

My point being, the problem can obviously be solved, with out having to add a block button.

if it works like that, then yea problem solved.

Can anyone confirm if GG block actually does work like that?

Never heard of that mechanic before. If it does work like that, it means that block triggers on the frame a normal makes contact. Which basically gets rid of the whole holding back for block problems. I thought I had the game still but I must of deleted it off my HD.

[Tech_Romancer]

Isn’t that just proximity blocking? (could be wrong on this…)

Also, in regards to thread: People need to play LESS SF4 and MOAR of other stuff.

[Hecatom]

I could be wrong, but, in the Guilty Gear series, you block with back, however, I can’t recall an instance where I was stuck in my blocking animation when I tried to walk back, no matter the distance between my character and my opponent’s.

My point being, the problem can obviously be solved, with out having to add a block button.

if it works like that, then yea problem solved.

Can anyone confirm if GG block actually does work like that?

Never heard of that mechanic before. If it does work like that, it means that block triggers on the frame a normal makes contact. Which basically gets rid of the whole holding back for block problems. I thought I had the game still but I must of deleted it off my HD.

it doesnt work like that, there is a range wher the normals and specials put you in the block animation, its around 1 1/2 bodies of distance, didnt tested enough to see if is normal dependant or not though (tested with ky vs ky btw)

[Ki_Shima]

where’s my Wing Chun fighting game fuck all this medieval mentality

[Louiscipher]

Did Ed Boon ever say why they added the block button? Just curious.

[Hecatom]

probably the same reason why they did the game like the did it, to be different from SF

[TonyTheTiger]

Yeah, at that point there was no standard so they could try different things without being lambasted for it.

Just look at the news post regarding the new MK arcade stick. Half the posts are “lulz wtf is with that stupid layout!” Well, back in 1992 what was a fighting game control panel “supposed” to look like?

[Ki_Shima]

Yeah, at that point there was no standard so they could try different things without being lambasted for it.

Just look at the news post regarding the new MK arcade stick. Half the posts are “lulz wtf is with that stupid layout!” Well, back in 1992 what was a fighting game control panel “supposed” to look like?

I think people are “luling” because you cant play anything else with the expensive stick apart from mortal kombat …lulz

[Superking]

Depends on the game really, block/guard button works for games like VF and or KMG as two notable examples.

[TonyTheTiger]

I think people are “luling” because you cant play anything else with the expensive stick apart from mortal kombat …lulz

Well that’s the game’s layout. It’s an MK stick. You wouldn’t sell a stick for MK with a layout not designed for it. It was a standard for the series created in 1992. Hence my point. What was the standard in 1992?

And technically speaking, although the buttons are a little farther apart, you could play Tekken with it. And if you prefer the new SNK layout as opposed to the classic one (I don’t) then you could play SNK games, too. Not to mention the hundreds of other arcade games that aren’t fighting games. So, yeah, sounds like the real problem is “It can’t be used for Street Fighter.”

But, seriously. There are ample high quality sticks out there with “standard” layouts to choose from. Why is it suddenly a problem when a single high quality stick comes out packed with an MK game designed specifically for that game? It’s clearly not meant to be a general use stick and is not being marketed as such.

It’s like complaining about the Dreamcast fishing controller because you can’t play anything but fishing games with it. Or complaining about DDR pads because you can’t play anything but DDR games with it. Or complaining about that massive Steel Battalion controller because it was designed for just that one game.

[shoultzula]

Isn’t that just proximity blocking? (could be wrong on this…)

Also, in regards to thread: People need to play LESS SF4 and MOAR of other stuff.

what that guy was describing was an entirely new way to block. As it turns out, GG uses proximity guard.

[Tech_Romancer]

what that guy was describing was an entirely new way to block. As it turns out, GG uses proximity guard.

I picked up Tobal 2 the other night. Me likie ^^

[Hecatom]

what that guy was describing was an entirely new way to block. As it turns out, GG uses proximity guard.

well, you can always backdash >:3

It’s like complaining about the Dreamcast fishing controller because you can’t play anything but fishing games with it.

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I picked up Tobal 2 the other night. Me likie ^^

Tobal 2 is GDLK