Bullied kid murders bully; courts let him walk

[naz]

Alright enough trolling buddy, obviously she isn’t because the intruders have knives. She used reasonable force.

and the bullies only had their hands and feet?

and hands and feet can’t kill?

[Sketchspace]

Hey, how about I punch one of you in the back of the head. Want to go out for a cup of tea afterwards?

But on the real, if the guy did everything in his power to try to stop the bully (told the police, told the parents, etc.). Chances are his parents told him to be more tough (ok, I’m going to pretend I’m a super saiyan, brb) but really that’s not going to do jack – really telling someone would be a temporary cure until the bully starts up again. I’d say stabbing the boy was the best course of action. And the sad part – the kid who got stabbed knew martial arts. Forget the self-defense aspect, a big part of martial arts is teaching appropriate times to use it.

I approve of this, kids needs to get a feel for the real world and what really goes down (this, Amber Cole, etc.) rather than think they can get away with everything just because they’re young.

[k0rr1]

He didn’t choose anything. Can you not see that when your in a fight 3 v 1, you don’t think, you just act. Survival instinct. Kill or be killed.

I disagree, before the fight even happened he showed off his knife to a couple of people. He chose to use this knife if something were to happen and did accordingly. Did he use it excessively? Yes. I mean the guy has 12 holes in his body, but was he wrong for defending himself? No. This was all choice.

[CLU_2]

I hate bullies, but this.

That’s going to mess up the victim worse than the actual bullying did, knowing he killed someone.

I have to wonder how big the bully was compared to this kid for him to come to the conclusion that his only method to defend himself against him was a knife.

Just wow. I guess the bullying I received in grade school wasn’t so bad after all.

The bully had been trained in Jiu Jitsu from the time he could walk, by his father - a master of the form.

I’m sorry a kid ultimately wound up dead, due to his evil abuse of his own powers, and twisted sense of entitlement to torment and hurt others.

But I fully blame the bully.

And his father for being a complete and utter piece of shit failure as both a sensei and a father.

And society for allow this bullying bullshit a free pass until the victim had no choice but to defend himself in such a manner.

And the parents of the asshats in this thread who are trying to foist the blame off onto the victim.

And the asshats in this thread who are trying to foist the blame off onto the victim.

[NissanZaxima]

I disagree, before the fight even happened he showed off his knife to a couple of people. He chose to use this knife if something were to happen and did accordingly. Did he use it excessively? Yes. I mean the guy has 12 holes in his body, but was he wrong for defending himself? No. This was all choice.

He didnt go up to the bully at school, tap him on the shoulder, then start to repeatedly stab him. Which is what some people are making this out to be.

He tried to AVOID the confrontation and then got punched in the back of ahead and followed for doing so.

Yes this situation could have avoided death, too bad it didnt, but you cant blame a younger kid probably all sorts of scared going into survival mode.

[King_Takes_Pawn]

Not really, as someone stated you forfeit your rights to live basically when you violently confront someone who wants no part of it.

No, you don’t. There are thousands of people imprisoned in “self-defense” suits with the exact reasoning presented in this case. There was no lethal threat established in Ben Perkins attack on Jorge. This is the rationale used in every bar fight in which someone uses a knife after getting sucker-punched.

[WorstPlayer]

If I know/feel I’m in clear and present danger and it’s me or you?
You’re going down. I won’t feel bad about it either, shit, I might piss on you,
run over you with my car and post it on youtube.

Okay…maybe I won’t put you on youtube.

[Legendary_Hoamaru]

People forget that fists can also be deadly weapons. It’s not just about how you get hit, it is also about how you fall. I remember of a case back in Germany where a guy got hit with one punch, hit his head on the ground hard and died. Guy that did it got charged and locked up.

Plus, nowadays you don’t know what people have on em. No one wins in this case, but I agree with the ruling.

Edit:

and the bullies only had their hands and feet?

and hands and feet can’t kill?

Dat avatar doe .

[NissanZaxima]

No, you don’t. There are thousands of people imprisoned in “self-defense” suits with the exact reasoning presented in this case. There was no lethal threat established in Ben Perkins attack on Jorge. This is the rationale used in every bar fight in which someone uses a knife after getting sucker-punched.

Why would you sucker punch someone to begin with? Why would you bully to begin with?

Also I think you meant Dylan not Ben Perkins

[Rhio2k]

If you’re afraid for your life. Would you turn your back on that person? That’s not a crackheaded solutions that’s real. If I got beef with someone or if I think something bout to pop off why am I going to have my back to the person?

This wasn’t “beef”. Beef is when you have a problem with someone who is your equal or lesser, and you want to stomp their ass, not you having someone who is leagues above you in strength and is gunning for you, with you afraid of them. Kid thought that walking away and telling the guy to leave him alone would end it, cuz hey, the kid’s peers know he has a knife now, and they know WHY he has it. That should end it, right? Who wants to get knifed? Bully didn’t care. Kid showed him why he should have. Repeatedly.

I never said that they were superman I said to call them. If somethings bout to pop off like that then it’s best to call the cops. When people go about their business like shit is sweet someone winds up dead.

The same person would have wound up dead…while the body’s cooling, the cops finally show up. The cops will show up AFTER the shit goes down, the bullies (found elsewhere and claiming they were there the whole time cuz they have the sense to fuck this kid up out of sight) profess innocence, cops can’t prove shit. Cops leave, kid gets his ass trounced AGAIN. The cops won’t show up to intervene and scare the bullies away. Shit, you actually WOULD be better off calling for Superman if that’s what you were hoping for. You’ll get the same results.

I just think there’s action you can take before the shit get’s to that level and it should never get to that level. If you’re legitimately afraid for your life you don’t ride the bus with the guy you’re afraid. You damn sure don’t turn your back on him. I think “getting off the bus early” was bullshit. If the kid wanted to fight him all it is him trying to duck the kid. You’re right man I don’t know how far bullying will go. I see shit like this colombine kids killing themselves because they’ve been bullied and I don’t think it should ever get that far.

Aside from being miserable and getting pounded, there was nothing the kid could do. Authority figures only help WHEN THEY’RE AROUND. The kid was basically on his own. And dude: the Columbine idiots were not bullied. Let’s get that little bullshit myth out of the way. They WERE bullies, picking on freshmen and anybody they thought were quote “fags”. They were at one point during their little spree heard saying “This is what we always wanted to do!”. They were just fucked up bullies who thought it was “kewl” and radical to torture and kill people.

[Missing_Person]

If I ever have children they are probably going straight into private schools. Public schools are failing/declining and they are taking away programs that matter most for life experience.

Well, speaking from my personal experience (and this is in Asia, so results may vary):

I’m working in a private Korean school. I have a student that could easily become the kid that got stabbed in this story. I don’t know how many fights he has instigated that I’ve had to intervene in.

This should be grounds for suspension and expulsion but it isn’t. Apparently to Koreans, you cannot tell the parents who are paying for their child to go to your school, “Your son is a threat to every other student in this school, he cannot come here anymore,” because they’re paying for him to come here. Forget about the fact that the rest of the parents (of children who aren’t actively looking for ways to physically harm their peers, mind you) are paying the same amount of money, and if they think their children are in danger here, will pull out their children, resulting in a loss of revenue. And that they outnumber the one couple with the one menacing child. So you’re risking all the parents with good children leaving your school to keep the one menacing child who could give two craps about learning anything or letting anyone else learn anything in the school so you don’t piss off his parents.

And apparently, this isn’t a lone wolf concept in Korea. This is normal.

That’s why I don’t even really like the private/parochial school options in Asia.

[King_Takes_Pawn]

Why would you sucker punch someone to begin with? Why would you bully to begin with?

Also I think you meant Dylan not Ben Perkins

Yup, was looking at Ben Perkins profile. Doh. To the bully question, not to split hairs, but the reasoning is irrelevant. The occurrence of the crime is what matters, and a civilians rights in regards to protecting themselves.

[Mr.X]

It is a terrible tragedy that a young man had to die in this way. Bully or not, being stabbed to death is not what I would wish upon anyone. While the law here does account for the use of lethal force in regard to self-defense, the idea of a continuum-of-force for what are essentially minors is a little disturbing. We can safely assume that the bully in question had already inflicted bodily harm on Jorge, as demonstrated by the evidence. However, I do not find that particularly compelling. Jorge was bullied by this other child on other, less public occasions. It does stand to reason that the attack leading to the fatality, while a danger to his short-term health, was not a credible threat to Jorge’s life. I’ve sat through a dozen cases where “duty to retreat” was cited, and in some states it is very, very easy to establish, regardless of whether or not it actually occurred at all. If “imminent bodily harm” is all the justification it takes to end a life, schools may very easily experience more of this, provided this case is well publicized.

My age may be showing here. I accept that Jorge acted in accordance with the law. I do agree that no one wins in this case. However, I believe that lethal-force needs to be reexamined in it’s applicability in child-on-child violence. The greatest questions to my mind are whether or not the world allows that, and what possible escalation would occur in bulling behavior if this sort of thing continues.

I wish my crystal ball was working so I could confirm myself that the punch to the back of his head was the end of this confrontation and those 3 kids wouldn’t have beaten him up until he was bruised and bloody, maybe suffering trauma, concussion, brain damage or maybe his demise. Damn you’re so lucky to know what would’ve happened.

[Monkey_D.Malcolm]

this teen mom is also a murderer? [question directed to k0rr1 and monkey d.]
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art…d-intruder-week-babys-father-died-cancer.html

You do realize that even though when you’re in your home like that killing someone even then isn’t justified.

[NissanZaxima]

Yup, was looking at Ben Perkins profile. Doh. To the bully question, not to split hairs, but the reasoning is irrelevant. The occurrence of the crime is what matters, and a civilians rights in regards to protecting themselves.

I dont get it though. So because I suckered punched you in the back of the head, and I have a couple of my buddies following me with the intent to cause even more physical harm to you… you dont have a right to defend yourself in at any cost? I either have to simply use my fists to win a 4 on 1 fight or just simply accept the beating or maybe even something more publicly humiliating.

Im sorry I just cant really buy into that. If you are that persistent of trying to abuse your power to torment someone else (especially harming them physically) then you should leave yourself open to whatever punishment or retaliation is coming.

[Dami_Segun]

I disagree, before the fight even happened he showed off his knife to a couple of people. He chose to use this knife if something were to happen and did accordingly. Did he use it excessively? Yes. I mean the guy has 12 holes in his body, but was he wrong for defending himself? No. This was all choice.

I would suggest to you that a bullied kid may get a knife because its the only way in his abused way of thinking of getting the bully to back off. A bluff. He may not intend to use it. When the bully followed him anyway, it showed that he didn’t fear the knife. Subconsciously in the bullied kid mind, what options did he have left? His mom and the police clearly knew of his bullying. They were escorting him to school but the bullying hadn’t stopped so clearly the kid felt he couldn’t rely on the support of others and now his knife bluff had failed.

The kid didn’t choose to be bullied to the point he didn’t feel he could go to school.

[Monkey_D.Malcolm]

Ok well at least I know 100% you are completely trolling. I just thought you were stupid for awhile.

Okay.

[King_Takes_Pawn]

I wish my crystal ball was working so I could confirm myself that the punch to the back of his head was the end of this confrontation and those 3 kids wouldn’t have beaten him up until he was bruised and bloody, maybe suffering trauma, concussion, brain damage or maybe his demise. Damn you’re so lucky to know what would’ve happened.

Yup, get right on that. You need something You’re not too great at sarcasm or reading, apparently. I never stated that the punch to the head was the end of the confrontation. By the article, it was the beginning of the fight.While we’re in speculation territory, anything is possible. Maybe a satellite might have fallen from the sky and crushed them all. Maybe oncoming traffic might have killed them all.

I’ve already agreed that the ruling supports the use of force in this case. If you want to troll, at least do it well.

[Dramatix]

You’d think early in the new year, shit would get better. Guess not.

[Mr.X]

Yup, get right on that. You need something You’re not too great at sarcasm or reading, apparently. I never stated that the punch to the head was the end of the confrontation. By the article, it was the beginning of the fight.While we’re in speculation territory, anything is possible. Maybe a satellite might have fallen from the sky and crushed them all. Maybe oncoming traffic might have killed them all.

I’ve already agreed that the ruling supports the use of force in this case. If you want to troll, at least do it well.

Fuck those were my next two examples had you responded differently. Touche.

You’d think early in the new year, shit would get better. Guess not.

Don’t believe the hype, it’s just a new day.