Holy shit this thread went from kind of tragic and jarring, to pathetic with everyone’s “Karate!” solutions, and then to just batshit off the wall. First, this kid gets compared to the Columbine killers, and then, the Columbine killers get compared to jews in the holocaust??? Oh and then the same guy puts gay people in the same category as rapists and murderers. Classy!
I’d still argue even from a purely non religious/we are all animals etc… point of view morality and empathy are an important part of humanity. From a purely evolutionary perspective the fact that we HAVE empathy/morals shows that they are useful. It’s easy to see too, humans are the top of the food chain, not because of intelligence, not because of thumbs(though both helped), it’s because of community and communication. We wouldn’t have anything we have today if we didn’t work together and help eachother out and pass our values and learning onto the future generations. Empathy and morals help us develop connections with others and allows us to work together better and achieve our greatness as a species. Stuff like “no sex before marriage in the bible” Isn’t useless, it’s outdated. Back when it was written that was GREAT advise There was no contraception(or maybe some but it was probably crappy) and no understanding of stds, and higher death rate in pregnancy. So having sex before marriage could EASILY have killed you and your new baby that the father wants nothing to do with(or leave the new baby to the family etc…), or left you with diseases etc…
How come in your world a murderer or rapist can do what they want but people who want to live (ie not be murdered) and not be raped bsically get screwed? Doesn’t seem very fair to me.
A better question is why am I responding to this guy?
As for the OT shitty all around, but I can see the court’s reasoning.
I was thinking about this subject just the other day and it crossed my mind that bullies are really just more local level terrorists. I’m glad I’m not the only one who sees this.
And anyone going on about how the kid should have been in his right mind to stab once and walk away. He was a 14 year old child scared out of his mind after being jumped from behind. 14. 14 fucking years old. Use some critical thinking please. He chose a knife because a knife is effective. You choose the best tool for the job, not the one that will maybe get the job done if you’re lucky, or is out of reach.
To vG Astray. You say he should have chosen a different weapon, one that is less deadly. What do you suggest a 14 year old kid would be able to easily get a hold of, be as effective in stopping someone much bigger then him and trained in hand to hand combat.
Wait, where do you suddenly pull from that the bully was trained in hand to hand combat?
Wdf is all this. Now im secretely religious. Wdf i prolly broke like a bunch of commandments anyways. Fck dat religion sht just amotuer set of morals ppl wanna impose on me. Does it really matter to me how morals have devloped? No why, because the simple fact remains thzt my purpose for being here is decided by me or atleast thats what i want things to play out. I use ppl and “dispose” ppl however and whenever i please. Someone said that i should jus go to the jungle if i dont wanna live by the laws imposed on us in society? Lolz tell that to Martin luther king lolz. Anyways while every eneration keeps changing thier morals i will throw away those invaluable things and no longee just live by morals that society passes off as necessary or helpful. I live for me and me alone. Dont like it well then pray to) r ikaginary gods and ask em to get rid of me loooooolz. Or better yet hope in some type of stupid karma to give me payback. Looolz all of you are hilarious, keep comforting ur precious selves knowing thwt ur good at conforming to any moral thrown at u wearing a mask known as Normal.
Everyone expects this 14 year old kid to act like fucking Batman. If I had to put money on it (and before you try to jump down my throat with testimonials or trophies, etc, that means I’m taking a bit of a guess), I’d say all these stories about how you stood up to bullies back in the day due to martial arts are probably completely full of shit, and you’re channeling your inner Batman fanboy in order to sound like a tough guy on the internet. I’m not saying that’s definitely the case, but considering that you see that on just about every singe video game or comic book forum when topics like these spring up, that’s what I’d put my money on if vegas was taking bets.
Holy shit now he’s speaking in tongues! Seriously, for someone that types by banging his retard fists against a keyboard you’re not doing too bad. If you used actual fingers to type this post though, holy shit. I don’t know whether to compare you to that newsreporter that had a stroke on camera, or to compare you to miss South Carolina.
As has been pointed out, in the topic, multiple times, the bullies father was a martial arts instructor and his son was one of his students.
different weapon? fuck i must have alzheimer’s…don’t remember saying that hmmmm. but you can give the kid all the excuses in the world. in your mind murdering someone is okay, in mine its not. conversation done.
Loolz nah im using my new fone to type rii now and the sht is brutal lolz
It wasn’t murder since murder specifically has unlawful in its definition, and it was deemed what he did was completely lawful.
Well then.
And no penalty.
Maybe I missed it but did the kid brandish the knife or warn the bully? If he did then it’s unfortunate but the bully should have stopped. If he didn’t, well, he’s a kid I guess so he wouldn’t think of that necessarily.
It’s more a matter of intent. The bully intended to rough this kid up I guess? The kid intended to kill the bully apparently seeing as he stabbed him 10+ times. Little disproportionate. Bullying isn’t right, but killing isn’t either. Lose lose.
Excellent post.
Though I* do* bear it some ill will due to your conflating morals with ethics.
Morals>Mores>Social Norms.
Ergo:
Having blacks as slaves in the early Southern States = moral.
Antisemitism in Nazi Germany = moral.
Ethics should be understood as a universal standard extrapolated from empirical measures of human existence - individual, and group.
You shouldn’t write, it makes you read as stupid.
And that means what exactly? If you’re actually trained in hand to hand combat, you don’t die to a 14 year old with a knife.
“Being a student” doesn’t mean you learn anything (you should’ve noticed in school).
The part where your wrong is that he didn’t murder him. Conversation not over because you don’t seem to know what murder means.
Right out of the dictionary.
Murder: The crime of unlawfully killing a person especially with malice or aforethought.
This is not what the 14 year old did. He performed self defense.
Self Defense: 1. The plea of justification for the use of force or for homicide
2. the act of defending one’s self, one’s property, or a close relative.
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/murder
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/self%20defense
Sadly sometimes defense leads to the death of the attacker, but that’s the risk you take in attacking someone. He didn’t murder anyone tho.
With that said, sorry about the weapon thing. I thought that was you. My bad.
This shit is still going?
Niggas on the internet all day acting like they the heart and pulse of society when ya’ll don’t even leave your house long enough to know what color the sky is.
Anywho, this next generation is pretty shit so as much as I value the youth, as much as I see them as one of this worlds greatest resources, it wouldn’t be a bad thing to me if all their little first world problem having asses did find a way to kill each other off. On a larger scale that is. Bully or victim, all of them are bitch made and won’t contribute anything to society besides being the next fuck-up/consumer to cut me off on the road after switching three lanes with no signal.
It’s time we instituted the Battle Royal system like all the cool countries.
Also, what would Batman had done in this situation?
Oh come seriously? For real right now dude?
Kryponite Ring.
General D is my nikka. Nikkaz wanna stay weak and bullied then u gon get ya ass beat. I kill those i want befriend those i please follow th laws i want and do whatever the fck i.want. if society dont cater to ur ways then u gon have to fight and win.l son. BATTLE ROYALE BISHES
Interesting.
It’s called the ability to read so you know what you’re talking about and don’t sound like a retard.
It wasn’t murder. Fortunately, unlike you, the judge knew the meaning of the word.
Posting dumb stuff like that doesn’t make you sound any more intelligent.
How many people have you killed? Like they say, don’t use such overly strong words, they make you look weak.
This thread is like a mafia game and the roles are obvious.
Actually the first thing any good martial arts school will teach about fighting an armed opponent is, do not under any circumstance fight an armed opponent. The second thing you learn is that if you DO fight an armed opponent, you WILL get cut even if you win. You can also easily blame it on lack of knowledge the opponent was armed, over confidence, wanting to show off etc…