Breathless... SUPER Abel Match Theory Thread

iimdamasta · 2012-01-28T22:55:02.000Z

So i spent a few hrs in next level in NYC last night and it’s back to the drawing board… Def gotta work on some footsies in training but what do u guys do against the demon flip throw from akuma and gouken after they score a kd

Ronin1183 · 2012-01-29T00:35:21.000Z

Meaty demon flip throw can only be avoided by back dashing.

HFX · 2012-01-29T08:23:26.000Z

You can instant jump back/forward mk etc against demon flip throw on wake up if im not mistaken

but yeah, that loses to demon flip palm and kick

iimdamasta · 2012-01-29T09:20:56.000Z

When u backlash does it leave them open for a punish, will back dash lose to palm and kick?

HFX · 2012-01-29T09:31:50.000Z

When u backlash does it leave them open for a punish, will back dash lose to palm and kick?

Back dash against flip throw, they cant punish, you can land a TT even (not sure if a confirm punish, i doubt it, but you’ll be in range for a TT)…

And yes, back dash loses to palm(either it will hit you airborne or the OS’d sweep will) while demon flip kick can hit you airborne(preferably, since it will only reset you in the air, but youre still not out of danger)… though i think if the gouki expected you to backdash, iirc he can use a longer reach demon flip and do a late kick and will catch you during the grounded recovery frames of the backdash, into a combo.

So yeah, better to just test them again in training mode, and maybe checkin the gouki forum for their setplays…

splurgendii · 2012-01-29T09:38:26.000Z

Back dash against flip throw, they cant punish, you can land a TT even (not sure if a confirm punish, i doubt it, but you’ll be in range for a TT)…

It is NOT a punish.

iimdamasta · 2012-01-29T09:43:41.000Z

Can they do raging demon os?

HFX · 2012-01-29T09:49:39.000Z

It is NOT a punish.

aight cool

but still abel recovers slightly earlier (or maybe even?) than gouki, and its a range where you can land a LP or EX TT, not sure about the rest… wins against some options, loses against others.

Can they do raging demon os?

do you know how many frames of recovery demon flip throw has??? they cant os shit from that. they usually OS off of a demon flip palm

Trini · 2012-02-04T00:51:37.000Z

Lil tech here I’ve been doing for a while but I never posted it.

This is mostly for akuma but it works on almost every shoto. When akuma knock you down and goes for a other vortex abels best bet is to block. You can LATE LATE ex TT on wake up (you gotta practice timing) so if he palm’s or dive kicks you block and if he hurricane kick cross ups it auto corrects and youll AA’s him. It’s kinda a option select in a way. In sted of having 3 mix ups to think about it’s only 2.
I’ll try to get a video up of it if you guys don’t get it but I think it’s pretty strait forward. I got more lil match up specific things like that vs other characters if I got time I’ll post them. P. fucking S. If you guys got some tech vs Elf that would be good, I’m currently looking for some.

akiramike · 2012-02-12T18:15:54.000Z

Meaty wake up options for Abel against Sakura, safe against her ex dp.

falling sky -> back dash -> lk roll -> c.lk, c.lp+hk
tt -> dash -> lk roll -> c.lk, c.lp+hk
cod -> hk roll, c.lp, c.lk+hk (if you use c.lk first, you will eat ex dp)

Unfortunately, using c.lp -> s.mp is not safe against ex dp but will stop Sakura from jumping. For some reason, the s.mp will always come out while if you do another c.lk/lp it won’t.

HFX · 2012-02-12T18:40:28.000Z

For some reason

I believe the reason is called “chain/renda cancellin” lol sorry if i sounded like an ass ;o)

oh i think your bro or something posted in the Malaysian forum hehe

akiramike · 2012-02-13T14:53:41.000Z

Ah, its a link. That makes sense lol.

Yeah, he was back in Malaysia. He’s arriving back in Aust now. What’s the url of the forum? He giving away all his anti Abel tricks?

Fought a Sakura yesterday and tried using vertical mk as anti air. Really hard to use especially against j.hk. Another thing my bro uses when I start going jump forward mk/hp as anti air is that he would jump early hk. My experience with this match up is Abel has no realiable anti air against Sakura.

Fought a Juri yesterday and her crouching lk or mk beats Abel’s s.lk/f+mk. How do you footsie against Juri?

HFX · 2012-02-14T09:03:35.000Z

unblockable vs ibuki!

[spoiler=]will maybe post after ive confirmed it myself lol[/spoiler]

HFX · 2012-02-14T19:41:58.000Z

so yeah tested it, sure its an unblockable but can be escaped plenty of ways so its kinda useless i guess… blergh

HFX · 2012-02-15T04:49:49.000Z

someone can test this?

just a rumor but some guy on the jp boards said that in the phone(volt) version, abel can do cr.hp fa lvl2 dash cancel U1, this way U1 can be landed anywhere even in the corner… but yeah, i just thought it might be worth checkin out if this is true, pretty useful imo

akiramike · 2012-03-07T15:26:08.000Z

In AE? I think Abel has to fadc out of c.hp into focus.

HFX · 2012-03-07T20:13:17.000Z

nvm yo that shit dont work lol

akiramike · 2012-05-07T20:53:49.000Z

Just fought a Gouken and found out that Abel’s ex skyfall doesn’t work against Gouken’s demon flip throw. Demon flip parry negates Abel’s normal anti airs. Is anti air always going to be a gamble in this match up? Any way to avoid meaty demon flip throw besides jump?

What’s the distance Abel wants to be to fight Seth? Just outside his c.HP range?

Diveman · 2012-05-23T04:43:08.000Z

do you guys have tips to fight Guile? I could use some advice in that matchup

thanks

HFX · 2012-05-24T10:40:01.000Z

i havent been playing for a little bit more than a month now, but a friend of mine told me that Guy has like 2-4 unblockable setups vs abel now… anyone have fought any tough Guys recently?