Yup #3 P4P and who was recognized by just about every outlet as the #1 WW in the World is picking on old fighters. Shane Mosley called Floyd out. He got the fight he wanted and a fight the fans wanted.
Roach doesn’t seem to agree that Mosley was old and shot.
After Shane was begging Roach for a fight with Pacquiao(Even agreeing to come down to 142). Lol
ok Idk if I’m retarted are what,but I distinctly remember cats saying pbf needs to fight mosely a real contender.Now he’s washed up and not a good boxer,I’m not a fanboy either way,hating just to hate is what I`m getting from some comments.
Mosley is not an old washed up fighter… He is 38, but he’s still fit as hell. Mosley loosing due to the age of 38 isn’t an excuse at all. If you go around youtube, Mosley was always desperate to fight either floyd or manny (more on manny though), he would give in to any negotiations just to have a match.
My theory of why Mosley lost was because Mayweather is that good of a technician. If you look around this thread and read the posts leading on to the fight, you can see we all expected Mayweather to be using his superb defense/counter tactic, w/c appeared so during the 1st two rounds of the match. I think everyone expected Mayweather to be performing with hit’s and runs, however from rounds 3 and above it appeared as if he was going closure instead of gaining distance and forcing himself to chased. I think mayweather one because of the massive mind game he played on mosley. His tactics to his strikes where all surprising. I think Mayweathers speed and accuracy is greater than pacquiao’s now.
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Now with the Pacquiao/Floyd issue:
I don’t think the canceling between Pacquiao/Mayweather was due to Pacquiao hiding his steroids. I am certainly sure that guy is not juicing… i do not see any reason why to accuse him of doing so. The refusal was due to ignorance and superstition because it did sound outrageous when it was first brought up. You can’t say that Manny refused because he is juicing or scarred because offered lines of negotiations as well and IMO, Manny’s reasoning was good enough to assure a clean and fair fight. Ducky, i think you need to research about Trypanophobia.
edit: Cotto/Foreman is on it’s way right?
I would like to partly disagree on this one. Working with a medical background, I can say that there really are people who are afraid of needles, that the moment you stick em’ one, they can freak out for a couple of days. I know Arum’s trolling but we cannot rule out the fact that not everyone can tolerate needles like that.
Arum wants his 30% from both fighters, so he will have Pac fight another Arum guy continually until Pac is ready to hang them up.
Anybody know of a good boxing torrent site, the one I used a couple years ago seems to gone.
PM me please, thanks.
Still, Pacquiao is a world class fighter, a fairly high ranking reservist in the Army over there, and he is scared of needles? I think that is RIDICULOUS. PBF should fight Pacquiao with pictures of needles on his boxing gloves, pictures of needles all over his shorts, pictures of needles all over his shoes, and get tattoos of needles all over his body. I bet the dude would pass out after touching gloves with Floyd in the ring.
Let’s get serious here, I think it’s just Arum’s bullshit. Pacman and PBF actually have a fairly close rise through the weight classes. Everyone just hated on Floyd his whole way up. It all goes back to Arum being a greedy sack of shit and not wanting to lose his meal ticket.
Whether his fear of needles is true or not is something we’ll never be sure of. All’s i know is Trypanophobia is considered one of the irrational phobias out there; it isn’t just needles but the whole medical procedure. A friend of mine who has that phobia explained because of the needles poking the wrong vein, or being dirty or the alcohol made contribute to fuck up… something like that. The only thing is, I don’t think the disagreement was due to hiding juice or being scared of floyd. The whole thing did sound very outrageous because it was never done before, so it could have been due to what they thought olympic testing may do to him.
If olympic testing does physically weaken the person during training or the fight, and both Manny and Floyd do take it the same way. Floyd would still have the physical/stamina over Pacquiao because (or i think) black men are naturally stronger in their stamina compared to Asians. So if that fear of being weakened from olympic testing is true - due to my belief, i don’t think it would be fair on Manny’s side because Floyd will still have the better stamina regardless of both of them being affected from the testing. From this i can not actually blame Manny’s camp from having problems with disagreeing with that kind of testing (i hope Floyd’s camp does show something that it wouldn’t affect the stamina of the boxer); what Manny tried to negotiate with was actually good enough to certainly assure that he would come in clean.
What i still don’t get from floyd is that in interviews after Pacquiao/Cotto, he, for some reason, saw Manny to be nothing great nothing of his calibur, but then he says that he wanted the test because he can not believe that Manny would be able to perform in that certain way. It was like he just watched Pacquiaos fights… because the whole logic was like, before he didn’t think manny was that good but now he can’t believe could work that well with out something. I’m not saying Floyd is scarred of Pacquiao, because of course he chose Mosley, who i believed to be better than Pacquiao (i still do think Mosley would destroy Pacquiao)… so saying Floyd is dodging Pacquiao is kinda wrong now. Does Floyd want a solid fair-clean match? Of course who doesn’t, it’s just i don’t understand also why floyd has to disagree or have consideration with the Negotiations from Pacquiao, because it was actually good enough. Maybe some one has too come in and try to elaborate with both camps ato help them both understand and consider each side. I don’t know. I’m just saying that Pacquiao’s camp can not be labeled as irrational either.
You wouldn’t be talking about how Shane is a devastating puncher because he did actually rock Mayweather in the middle of the round not towards the end. If you watched the fight without the influence of haterade you would realise that Mayweather finished the 2nd round strong.
I could believe how Shane ‘‘stopped pressing’’ Mayweather, when someone hits you and it hurts you generally do something to minimise damage. When he punched at Mayweather he got countered. I think the final spastics have Mayweather’s accuracy at 42% whilst Shane’s was 20%.
Without getting at the Floyd vs Pacman and just looking at the Olympic style testing - this is done to all athletes who compete in the Olympics. It certainly doesn’t hinder their performance any. The whole thing doesn’t make sense - it’s just BS that Arum threw out there because he doesn’t want to lose his meal ticket. I’m sure if it was up to him, he would just simply have Pacman continue to fight other guys in his stable so he can keep collecting a fat paycheck.
first unrelated to floyd/pac, is there anyone that doesn’t think p. williams is gonna fucking steamroll cintron?
we’re talking about a dude with mad tats, pac isn’t scared of needles.
pretty much.
Hmm… i do recall somebody here giving a link or just mentioning an olympic track runner(i think) taking that kind of drug testing and getting weakened by it. I don’t know about the credibility of it.
Ya, the whole thing doesn’t make sense, but in both sides for me … i do not see that both camps declining due to fear. pacquiao’s camp (during the time) where that confident about Pacquiao being superior to Floyd… i understand that Floyd wants the whole boxing world to be solidly known as clean and i also take the phobia of Pacquiao’s in concerning. I just don’t see why Floyd needs Pacquiao to submit to the line of his demands when Pacquiao’s negotiations does seem good enough to assure no juice is being used. If you read the proposal in Pacquiao’s camp, the type of blood testing he allowed was still, IMO, good enough. Evidence for Floyd’s argument is the only thing needed, IMO, it would also be good if some one can show that enhancers can be undetected from the testings Pacquiao allowed to give. Because seriously, if Pacquiao’s real decline is due to his phobia, then the only way you’ll get him to agree is actually give psychological treatment to remedy that phobia, and since it’s that difficult just to cure someone’s Phobia how is this fight going to happen? I think that Pacquiao, in his own right has some prerogative to make a closure negotiation to an olympic blood testing.
I don’t see that argument holding up because Pac’s claim is that he is the smaller fighter and thats why it would be a disadvantage. However Mayweather was the smaller of the two between him and Mosley and we all know what happened there. Pac and Arum are running from May pure and simple.
You paid to watch it? And I disagree…$8.50
Lmao…
i think you’re talking about asafa powell, who’s a known diva and inconsistent peformer. choke artists will always find reasons to excuse their shitty performances, the fact remains that thousands, probably more like tens of thousands, of athletes from all sports have undergone this testing with no ill effects. cyclists are blood tested MID-COMPETITION with no problems. arguing about the deleterious effects of blood testing by saying you doubt the credibility is like arguing against the theory of inertia on the basis that it’s a “theory”.
STOP MAKING EXCUSES FOR PACQUIO
His main excuse was, he is scared of needles but seriously…
Where are the Pac fans at? Where are all those pitiful excuses at I kept hearing months ago? This fool says I’m scared of needles but I’ll take the blood test as long as it’s not too close to the fight. Seriously? So your only scared of needles when it’s a few weeks before a match? How can you defend this madness?
All the needle stuff is BS, I agree on that. Surprised it took someone that long to point out all of Pac’s tattoos lol. But singling out Arum and Pac’s side for being greedy when we’re talking about Money Mayweather is pretty silly. Greed is what killed this deal, but I highly doubt it was one sided.
Kidnap both of them, stick them on a deserted island, and let them duke it out on top a cliff like them old samurai movies, imo. Film the shit from a helicopter or something, winner gets a ride home lol.
DUDE JUST STOP!!! Seriously, it is the fear of needles or medical procedures. THE GUY IS A FUCKEN BOXER WHO PROBABLY HAS MANY TEST DONE ON HIM THROUGHOUT HIS LIFE.
Ah screw it.
Unless it’s a really expensive car Money May ain’t signing…
Oh you said kidnap…
uh…they agreed on pretty much everything but the drug testing so “greed” didn’t have anything to do with it. it’s not like PBF was saying take the drug tests or give me a 60/40 split.
My mistake. I went back to watch the replay and gunners is right. It was in the middle of the round. All hate aside, mayweather is a great technical boxer but I still think the guy is cocky dipshit. Their is no ounce of humility in the guy