Bill Nye VS Ken Ham: Science Vs Creationism

So…what’s your field? This is directed @LoyalSol

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That’s actually a perfectly legit point to be honest. At this point in time we have no way of knowing if there is one, many, or zero god(s).

The best that can be done right now is disproving accounts of God, but disproving the idea of God is something that won’t be possible for a long time.

Molecular Physics. I do pure theoretical work mostly aimed at application in atmospheric science in particular atmospheric nucleation processes. I work with both Quantum Mechanics and Classical Mechanics.

http://scitation.aip.org/content/aip/journal/jcp/139/23/10.1063/1.4848737

That’s one of the publications I wrote a while ago. Be happy to supply you guys with a PDF copy if you want to read it.

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How much does that job pay?

Should def gone into math. Math is pretty fun.

It varies depending on where you get employed. Industry usually pays a little more while academia pays less but you have more control over what you do (well assuming you can get funding that is). Not sure what the average is for government labs ATM. The average for a PHD job is 40,000-50,000 for a Post-Doc position and closer to 80,000-100,000 for a Faculty/Primary position. Post Doc positions are usually what you get if you can’t find a full position after getting done with your PHD.

The reason I went into theoretical work was that I finished a second degree in Math as an undergraduate and wanted to apply it to my main degree which was in Chemistry. The Computational/Theoretical area was great for me in that regard.

28 dollars for this piece of shit? I bet it doesn’t even have pictures.

Either way I would have to put in a lot of work into math/chemistry to get anything out of it. Figure if I go back to school I’ll grind that STEM into something more productive.

You nailed it. The more we learn, the more the deity (in this case forwarding the Abrahamic deity (Christian, Jewish, Muslim)) seem to simply become unnecessary and miniscule, receding into nothing.

@LoyalSol Still waiting for a reply on the PM I sent you yesterday. I am very curious to hear what you have to say.

And then people wonder why I became a lawyer. If you don’t get a full position you’re stuck in those post-doc dead end jobs, and I’ve seen them from $30-40k even.

Once I take care of myself financially I plan on moving back into science.

As my first post probably indicated, I’m very interested in quantum mechanics and relativity, probably the two most interesting parts of undergrad physics I studied, albeit of course in undergrad I never went too in depth with anything.

Have you done any work on grand unified theory? Last I heard Christopher Langan was working on TOE but I don’t know where that went and I’ve been busy the last several years.

I’d love to get a pdf of your publication, just send it through PM. It might be awhile until I get the chance to read it, but I will eventually get that time hopefully.

Yea journal prices are a rip off if you don’t have an institution that pays for it. It’s actually bullshit since we do all the research, the journal doesn’t have to spend as much like they used to (It’s almost all electronic these days), and they get people who aren’t even employed by the journal to do half the work. They are charging way more than it actually costs them to run the journal. There are actually people pushing for open access journals to become more frequent, but that hasn’t hit full steam yet.

But in the mean time the way I fudge the system for journals I don’t have access to is to post on here:

People who are behind the pay walls can get you the articles you want. They’ve saved my butt a few times when I need a paper from a specialty journal.

Here’s a copy if you want to read it:

http://www.sendspace.com/file/jecdtg

I wouldn’t brag about Reddit credentials like they’re worth a shit. I also expect scientists to know what “appeal to authority” means.

But that’s not even touching on the stupidity here. Oh man. Here goes:

What the fuck do you even mean “well no shit?” You can’t go full retard on using hypothesis and theory interchangeably and then, when called on it, say “well no shit.” Well no shit what? “Well of course I’m wrong specs, fucking duh.” Good Christ.

Real talk, all your laughable-ass flaming aside: did you just not realize what you originally said? Where you waxed poetic on how one could form theories (not hypotheses, theories) based on nothing? Because you’re either backpedaling fucking hard (without editing your original post, funny enough), or you’re actually delusional.

And before you put the wide side of the funnel against your vagina to focus that beam of sand into a cutting laser, do realize that I didn’t show you any venom until you got all salty. If there really was a misunderstanding here, you could have diffused it with a few words.

Oh trust me, I know the journal hustle. The worst part is that for some journals you have to pay them to get them seen. I remember discussing this with some of my professors. A lot of them were salty that they had to use grant money to submit the work they did with the rest of the money.

Shit, lets not even get to the gangbanging that Nature does to colleges. HOLY FUCK.

Way ahead of you there. lol We are about to publish in Nature for one of the projects I’m working on and I’m already fucking pissed with them.

I don’t think it was a Nature journal (or at least I hope not), but one of my professors was told she had to cut shit down to 8,000 words if she wanted to be published.

Sure she could include graphics and shit, so she was trying to find a way to put in all the information in proper. She could use graphics though so there was that. :rofl:

Oh Social Sciences, should’ve never gone into that field.

Right now there are a couple theories (a lot coming from string theory) people are tying their wagon to in hopes of bringing about a unified field theory, but it’s a royal pain in the butt to prove any of them right now because the problem with linking Quantum and Relativity is that you need a system that displays both quantum and relativistic effects in significant ways. Small enough where the quantum effects don’t average out toward the classical limit, but has a high enough mass where gravitational effects are important. Which those two effects are at the opposite ends of the spectrum (one being isolated or small clusters of particles and the other one being planets and stars). I think we are still a good decade or better away from that assuming no sudden break through.

I focus more on the atomic and subatomic side of things, but I have been trying to keep up on relativity when time permits. I still love that field ever since I took a class on it as a graduate student.

I just posted a link with it for your reading pleasure.

http://www.sendspace.com/file/jecdtg

This one is more an examination of nucleation theory than a system specific study. It examines the role surfaces have in supporting freezing from a supercooled vapor phase. This is important in the atmosphere since you regularly have things like dust particles collection super cooled vapors and instantly freezing them to form aerosols which ultimately govern cloud formation and also heating/cooling patterns in the upper atmosphere.

Right now the reviewers are driving me up the wall. One of them it is clear he is a simulation person, but he has no idea about nucleation so we are having to basically break down why we did what we did even though anyone in the field of nucleation would understand it easily. But that’s the problem with publishing in a major journal is you need to make it good for anyone.

Yea as much as I hate to say it, that field is either you get the best job the field has to offer or you end up with nothing. I figured by going with Statistical/Computational Physics I can always double back as either a computer programer, statistician, or keep on going with physics/chemistry. It’s a degree I can pitch to a lot of different
companies in a worst case scenario.

I tried.

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A scientist, ladies and gentlemen.

Making all the others proud, I’m sure.

My job is to study shit, not be your fucking friend. I especially don’t like hanging around people with such shitty logic.

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