I would say this is true even on block with that move though yeah you can avoid whatever is coming if you read what he’s gonna do after. On hit yeah your hosed, I dunno why but his combos to U1 seem to ignore dmg scaling. Or so it seems to me anyways.
any tip of Viper elbow drop mix up?? that move is get my nerve!
I play with WEST last time, the winning rate is like less then 20% WHOLE NIGHT, OMG WE PLAY LIKE over 100 GAME!
his viper/honda/and GIEF
his GIEF is so annyoing, but over all I rate his viper higher, gief just too broken…
Bison’s c.HP stuffs Guy’s elbow drops. You can also beat out his dash kick and dash slides with c.HP if you time it right. Psycho crusher beats it out too, if you read it right. I think Guy is one of Bison’s best matchups. You just have to hit him out of his elbow drop, beat his dashes and then lame him out using Psycho Cushers and teleporting.
Cr.hp doesn’t work if they have any idea on where to space it. pc fails as well if he lands on top of it
I’ve never had a problem hitting guy out of an elbow drop with a c.HP unless he is right on top of me. If he’s spacing it - as in trying to bait it out and dropping it just short - then that’s when you PC. I’ve noticed Guy’s tend to have a pattern or tells for when they’re going for an elbow so you want to PC so that it hits them with the very front or back with the PC.
Maybe I’m misunderstanding or missing something but I have very rarely lost to a Guy after I started using c.HP to counter as a general tactic to zone out his offense.
Well I can try it next time I run into a half decent one but I seem to remember that it loses if he aims for Bison’s head or there abouts
I don’t think crouching fierce against Guy’s elbow drop will get you anywhere in that match, that normal is so slow compared to s.roundhouse and s.forward…you’re begging to be countered with his Leap command grab ( I forget the name ) and that thing deals at least 200 damage.
Overall I think it could still be a bad match up for Guy, he has pretty bad reversal options, EX-Hurricane kick is free on whiff. He has to make Bison afraid to jump and subject him to his scary corner resets and shenanigans.
You don’t use c.HP to counter his jump ins or to keep him on the ground, like you would with s.MK or s.HK, c.HP is not a reliable AA. That’s not what I’m saying, but c.HP can beat out Guy’s flips/elbows at almost all ranges and I’m pretty sure if he gets close to izuna drop you, you didn’t do it soon enough. I’m not theorizing here, I’ve used it in matches many, many times.
The Guy matchup is about who’s in the corner. Bison can go to town on Guy in the corner, but the reverse is also true.
Really? I’ve been beaten clean by guy’s s.MP after a blocked LK scissor kick in the corner.
offline play, is pretty hard to anticipate elbow drop by reaction, is either too fast or too slow, I chose focus (being told and teach FOCUS that elbow too)
focus, they block, no matter bison game keep rolling.
get crumble? YAY!
you need to work more on attack and pressure to force him make mistake, watch out meter for his EX wake up move, and watch out U1 or U2 he is using…
I think st.MP is better to against elbow drop if you are moving, st.fierce is even better if you anticipate too early, use cr.fierce if you anticipate normally way too late…tell me where I go wrrong.
I haven’t sat down to test out every solution to stop guys elbow
But I just know I’ve been beat up way too many times simply trying to low fierce his elbow. Even If he had a proper anti air that worked 80% of the time. If you get within that 20% margin of error, guy is going to 100% beat you that round. One combo and bison is done
Only thing I can comment on is to jump straight up roundhouse to stop his normal jump elbow , but if he does the flippy move into elbow move, jump roundhouse is risky. Low jab has worked often for me though. (yes as anti air)
Good advise master Kim.
His Izuna setup is good…as long as you got meter and not in corner guy is easier to deal.
How u deal with honda and blank now? My buddy said blanka is top3 in japan.
Need more on was training. And scissor strategy
cr.hp does NOT work btw. Elbow drop combined with normals with good hitboxes yeah…
Also have no idea what to do about Seth or more specifically his dive kick. Just blocking puts you in the same lame ass guessing game as the twins evcept worse due to Seth’s SPD being much faster.
Also imo geif needs his lp spd range reduced back to super levels. There was no reason for it to be buffed that much, it does NOT make up for GH no longer knocking down in his bad matchups the only thing it does do is make his good matchups even more slanted in his favor. Which he did not need.
Is blanka really top in Japan?? That is all I want to know
no
Is gen out footsiable at all or should Bison just take the point and go for the rushdown?
Gen’s biggest weakness is he has no anti air. You can exploit that as long as he doesn’t have meter
One hit from gen is gonna make the tide turn though. You can out footsie him but
spoiler alert
It doesn’t really feel like it’s worth it
Yeah Gen with Full super is no joke…
Not to mention he can combo his ultra in really easy with 1 hit.
What do you do to beat Gens cr.hk in Crane stance then? That beats me out of jump ins all the time, even Bisons j.fierce. It’s annoying