Biggest Boxer combo I’ve seen is 12 hits:
Against crouching Zangief, cross-up j.Fierce (or j.RH), cr.Jab x6, super
Practical combos:
cr.Forward, cr.Strong xx low rush
safe jump Jab, cr.Jab x2->st.Jab xx high rush
j.RH, st.Forward xx low kick rush (the one that knocks down)
Also, you can link the super after his cr.Forward.
To dizzy the opponent, Daigo uses meaty cr.Forward, far st.Fierce.
Are there any knockdown combos that work on crouching characters besides combo into super? I was trying to do renda kara low rush… but as far as i can tell that’s impossible.
Actually, if Balrog knows how to fight Zangief, the fight becomes largely 50/50. Jab Low Rush with Punch beats the Lariats if you distance it properly. But Zangief can whiff stand jabs a lot which will hit the Low RUshes before they reach Zangief, discouraging you from doing the move. But Balrog can Stand Fierce Zangief from the same rance he wants to do the Low Rush, which will beat or trade with Gief’s Stand Jab. And, of course, Zangief can Lariat the Fierce. So you can bait him into doing the Lariat and Low Rush him.
It’s cyclical, but it makes the fight much more manageable to Balrog. Good Zangiefs WILL make this a very hard fight, but a good Balrog will make the fight much more honest.
Zangief can cripple boxer’s options with crouching roundhouse, a much better tool than standing jabs. Cr roundhouse mixed in with lariats can really lock down and push Boxer back into the corner with very little skill.
Good Balrog players will wait for Low Roundhouse, then react with a Low Rush Punch on whiff if you do it that much. Zangief may block in time, but there is little else he can do. Maybe try for a miracle SPD, but good luck there. You won’t win many match ups going for things like that.
But you’re right, it’s a good weapon, but you cannot use it too much. Balrogs who learn the right distnace to Low Rush Punch make the fight hard. I don’t think the fight is in Balrog’s favor, but I don’t think it’s in Zangief’s either. I feel like this match is almost 50/50.
I guess you would know more than i would lol. But I have a really hard time fighting this match up. Its really hard for me to stay on Geif with out getting grabbed or random lariet. It sucks =(
No, admittedly, it looks like the fight is totally in Gief’s favor. In fact, I used to believe it too. I remember long ago saying that on agsf2 and Bob Painter, a great Gief player, telling me it wasn’t true. I was upset by that 'cause I like Gief and always thought that match was mine.
But since then, I’ve fought a lot of good Balrogs who know the fight and it’s harder. Zangief is still one of the best characters to FIGHT Balrog, since every other character mostly gets mopped up by him. I just don’t think Gief has an overwhelming advatange anymore.
I agree with Chen. That match can be hard for Rog if he gets knocked down, that’s why you have to be careful and choose your attacks wisely. Rog has some tools that he can work with. If Gief likes to use the cr. roundhouse a lot, Rog can just standing fierce on the whiff and hit him clean. For Gief’s standing jabs, Rog can just st. fierce and trade in Rog’s favor. For anti airs, Rog has the st. jabs, st. strong, st. fierce, cr. fierce, and high rush depending on distance and what Gief does. Like Chen said, Rog can low rush Gief’s lariat at the right distance. If Rog gets knocked down, it can be trouble so you have to play this match very carefully. Using TAP a lot isn’t good cuz Gief can see it and lariat on reaction. Don’t let Gief bully and corner you, use the tactics above and fight him. If you are getting near your own corner and happen to knock Gief down, do a jump in combo that ends with a low rush to push him away.
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Post more often scrub. lol
And thanks for the advice i will put it to use
does anybody know how to fight blanka i am trying to use tips from this forum posts to help my skill in Champ edition
I used to think that, it still is somewhat valid but not nearly as bad after i learned the proper way to play the match watching daigo play my brother with his rog vs my brothers gief.
But the best strat vs gief is one my brother created which is stupidly simple, just keep pressing low strong.
ok my favorite combos are these for anyone looking for some bad ass rog combos that arent too hard to do.
Dizzy:
simple combo:
Jumpin roundhouse/fierce, low strong, low kick rush with short (knockdown)
highest damage combo:
jumpin roundhouse/fierce, 2 lob jab, standing jab, straight fierce rush punch
on wakeup:
low forward early, low strong, low jab dash punch
after grabbing them and walking behind:
low forward early, low strong, low jab dash punch
on wakeup for quick dizzy:
low forward early, standing fierce (on big chars)
on jumpin on certain chars during fireball (chun li for example)
refer to simple combo
on jumpin on sagat for example if he does low fireball:
jumping roundhouse, standing fierce (connects cause opponent is ducking)
simple super combo when they’re dizzy or on wakeup:
jumpin forward or jab or strong (see it hit, cant use fierce or roundhouse or you wont be able to get the full amount of jabs), 2 low jabs, standing jab, super
Did anybody mention that zangief can punish balrog super with 360/720? Something worth knowing about that match. Almost worth learning the balrog combo into super just for that reason.
help me plz :sad:
well its a losing battle, youll have to accept that. But ways to win are like this. You need to use alot of grabbing. Dont charge the TAP , just do rushdown with short low dash and grab, also do low forwards and low jab dashes along with standing fierces. Chances are youll lose but if you can grab enough youll win. thats all i can say is cheap cheap cheap.
whoa whoa whoa whoa…
That’s not true, is it?
That’s what I figured, but he’s been able to counterthrow the fuck out of me. Thanks bro. =D
What’s funny is, he recently went up to mainland to take a job up in Nagoya for 6 months, so this is the beginning of my 6 month rule over Okinawa. lol Headbutt throw crossup mixups FTW.
Graham:
I was wondering if you could break down the Balrog/Dhalsim match.
What is the best time to release the TAP? Like when you see that sim is hesitating about whether to throw a yoga fire or when you need to close the distance should sim happen to be in the air?
It seems to me that the game plan is to look for hesitant moments/missed moves from sim and then close in/trade hits. Is that it or is there something else?
Good question. I just finished 3rd in a tournament, for losing to 'sim…
PLEASE Graham, can you break this fight?
Ok… this isn’t the “ASK GRAHAM” Balrog thread. I’m sure he’s not going to do that kinda stuff, so think up strategies and post them yourselves.
As far as Sim vs Rog… I would use the TAP whenever you’re pretty certain that there won’t be a fireball coming. I.e. headbutt through a fireball, release TAP. Jump Straight up over fireball, TAP. Etc. You’re trying to hit/trade w/ his pokes. So, release TAP when you think he’s going to poke!
Ok. I got beat by a pure wall dive vega in a tourney the other day. And I was super pissed. So I’m going to share some thoughts on it.
Anyone else want to add thoughts?