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I really like Shuma for Cap, but more for the damage and style (900k damage off a raw tag from shield slash combo, also building a bar which hits kills 1mil health characters).

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This is what I’ve been brainstroming

Cap/Dante/Akuma - I learned that Dante is weak to rushdown due to Wolverine having a faster normal than Dante especialy his cr.L

Cap/Arthur/Sentinel - Safe DHC, + Arthur w/ Drones. If you get happy birthdayed, arthur comes in w/ LvL 3 xfactor. No vertical control btw.

Cap/Shuma/Akuma - Tatsu when mystic ray too slow to use upclose. Also two word rhymes: SHUMA KUMA

Cap/Dante/Arthur - Rikir’s team but w/ Cap instead of Tron. If Dante combos won’t kill you can DHC to help arthur start his keepaway game. Arthur also gets the Jam session.If you get happy birthdayed w/ Xfactor, Arthur comes in w/ a LvL 3 Xfactor.

Cap/Chun Li/Dante - Can DHC to Chun Li’s invincible hyper to counter any attempts to punish blocked Hyper Charging Star. Kikoken assist instead of lighting legs assist. When Cap dies, Chun can escape incoming due to wall jump and triple jumps.

The Cap/Dante/Sentinel sounds awesome. Just finished learning Dante, now I just need to learn how to use him. I can bold cancel into any move now. I am going to learn Sentinel next so I can use that team.

This comes from my past Experience

Cap/Ammy/X - Amazing THC Okami Shuffle + Hyper Charging Star which make help fight against flight characters, get a combo if they get hit while grounded, full screen inescapable 50/50 or severely damage/ kill an assist. Awesome DHC partner, Ammy can convert a full combo after DHC from Hyper Charging Star and raw tag to Strange for FoF loops, Doom for relaunch combos, or raw tag back to Cap.2 main Weakness is cold star scales damage, and doesn’t help make Cap safe but it give Cap a fuzzy guard setup even when the opponent crouches (Doom for example). By having Ammy 2nd, Cap benefits a lot more from THC, and Veil of Mist her assist. I been using this combination since Day 1, I have many success with this team in the past. So I don’t plan on dropping Ammy because she suits my playstyle very well.

Cap/Chris/X - Similar to Okami Shuffle THC but lacks safe DHC, and has OTG property.

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Follow up to the Cap-Shuma hard tag (better full screen version + corner carry)

I completely agree that if you have the execution, Jam Session is the way to go for anti-air assists. As for the Shuma as an anti air, it’s really only as good as the opponent you’re up against. Against aggressive zoners like Dorm, Morrigan, Chris, etc. Mystic Ray isn’t going to do anything. Against aggressive rush down, it also becomes a problem if you can’t space out properly with shield slashes.

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With Rocket Raccoon backing up Cap w/ Log Trap. Characters such as Doctor Doom, and Wolverine are unable to attack directly above.

The invincibility from Stars and Stripes beats foot dive, and Log trap connects allowing a combo afterwards if timed correctly.

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… I almost dropped Cap after U.S.A’s match in the world cup

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I’m so tempted to use drones…but I don’t trust sent. I’m still worried I’ll be a victim of sniping my assist while zoning cap out and sent as a character… :confused:

IF I were to pick him though…Cap/Sent/Dante(jam). Sent is amazing for getting out of incomings, dante is a better anchor, and Sent/jam has some dirty set ups. Both Sent and Dante give cap AMAZING THC and DHC synergy…arguably Sent being better since he can always connect and dante can often miss with million dollars if the opponent is too low midscreen.

My best suggestion for cap though…play the counter pick game. Getting a perfect team is really hard with him. Wait patiently on that character select till they lock and pick the best counters you can. I’m currently mixing: vergil, doom, dante, cap, task, strider, morrigan into various team.

I would suggest learning anti-zoners like Dorm and Strange. Those two are amazing at shutting down a lot of the cast (MORRIGAN!), even though they themselves have bad matchups. Haggar assist as well can shut down teams that need to move forward. I wouldn’t run them without the other team being revealed, but they are valuable pocket counters.

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I know one assist that will help him fight Zero. It’s Hsien Ko’s :l: gong assist, its projectile that it doesn’t travel further like most other projectiles, and it reflects projectiles. So if Zero gets hit by his own LvL3 buster, then its a free combo for Cap.

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Zero is an unwinnable match up. To put it in other words- Zero beats Captain America 10-0, in Zero’s favour.

Cap’s only saving grace against Zero is that most Zero users are poor with Zero. However, if you do manage to face a competent Zero user, you will get blown out the water by him. The only thing you can do is use your other characters, with the underlying assumption being that you have a well constructed team and therefore have other characters who can do better in the match-up.

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What makes Zero an unwinnnable matchup for Cap? What moves or attacks do Cap players usually get hit by a Zero user? Does Zero have any unsafe moves that Cap can punish? What does Zero do to earn his Frame Advantage on neutral. I always think that every thing Zero does is safe due to LvL3 Buster cancel. Against Zeros I like to use Shield Slash if I see them using Air Dash or Air command Dash since you can’t block while dashing.

http://www.eventhubs.com/columns/2013/may/15/step-your-game-chapter-14-ultimate-marvel-vs-capcom-3-tier-list-part-1/

I know that Low Health is his only weakness, but he has many strengths. So if Cap dies, it would be better if 2nd character has the ability to escape on the incoming. Also the #1 rule is that you can only perform 3 special moves in the air but that doesn’t apply to aerial normal attacks, and Zero can only use his air command dash and air dash only once.

I am wondering if Rocket Raccoon, Dante or Strange are strong zoners since he mentioned that he loses to strong zoners. If Cap has an assist that limits Zero’s mobility options on both ground/air and his ability to attack. Would fighting Zero still be a bad matchup for Cap??

Since I live in SoCal, I know that the stronger Zero users in SoCal are Cloud805, Richard Nyguen, and Killer Kai. So before I start competing, I need to work on fundamentals first because I don’t have any good fundamentals like ChrisG. I read that one person in Cap forums mentioned that Cap rewards you for having good fundamentals.

My main reason for playing Cap is that I believe that he can fight Zoners better, and with right assists (Jam Session or Log Trap) he has reset potential in the corner that is difficult to escape. If I find that my combo is not going to kill I would snap instead of intentionally ending a combo for a reset unless I have both Jam Session and Log Trap. If I don’t snap then most of the time, they can easily escape my resets when the my one reset assist are unavailable so I have to guess which opponent air recovers but I can eliminate the guesswork by snapping instead.

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Zero’s game design vs Captain America’s game design is the problem, for Cap. For example, Zero has better buttons (normals) than Cap. Zero’s crouching light even matches Captain America’s crouching light at 4 frames.

Zero has more moves, air dashes, teleports, and greater priority than Captain America does. Captain America is an average mid-range character at best; Zero can out do Captain America anywhere on the screen. Zero can fight in the air with his lightenings, air teleports, air dashes, and busters; Cap just has his air shield slashes.

Zero can do so many advantageous things against Cap that you’re either really lucky or the Zero user is really bad if you beat Zero with Cap. And that’s Zero by himself; Zero with assists shouldn’t even be sweating Cap’s assists.

Assists that may be able to help Cap against Zero are mystic ray, hidden missiles… golden armour Hsien-Ko senpu-buu (her chain assist). But Zero alone can counter this up close with his normal, from distance with his raikousens, or just with his level 3 buster. and when you consider all the assists that can counter your assists (plasma beam, tatsu etc), as Cap you’re really just banking on the Zero user either being rubbish or making poor decisions to have a chance.

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Are there characters that could fight Zero better? I might have pocket Dante or Iron Man due to team synergy with Cap/Dante or Cap/Iron Man.

Spoiler

I really wished that his st :h: was his standing fierce instead of his standing roundhouse in from previous or past Marvel games.

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I watched your videos in which you were asking for a critique of your Cap play; I think you are onto something with Rocket Raccoon’s pendulum assist.

Characters that can fight Zero (though there isn’t any singular character Zero loses to, ‘even’ at best) include Nova, Magneto, MorriDoom.

With Cap, your best chance against Zero would be to utilize the games mechanics against Zero. Cross-over counters, meter in particular, there are also snap backs and x factor. You would need a team or characters who could take advantage of these, or you could start other characters on point against Zero (or Cap’s other tough match-ups).

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Cap vs Zero isn’t a 10-0…however it is a 7-3 (though we have a zero player here who swears it’s a 5-5…proving my theory on the intelligence levels needed to win with zero).

The issue is Zero beats Cap in nearly every type of fight and using assists to fill in the gaps to beat him can simply tell a good Zero to switch to a new gameplan you can’t cover. If you have GTFO’s like Lariat or jam, he’ll just zone you. If you go for counter call beams, he’ll zone you from the air. If you fight him air to air, he’ll likely just avoid you and target your assist calls. He also invalidates a ton of Cap’s moves (lvl 1 buster nullfies chargin star…uuuuuuuuugh, lvl 3 buster beats shield slash clean, lvl 3 hyper beats Hyper charging Star…seriously what the fuck Capcom test team?)

How do you beat him? snipes and safe pressure strings. This means you need assists that can keep charging star and/or stars and stripes safe, a safe DHC, and any other gimicks you can think of. The only thing you really have going for you is if he has lvl 3, you can charging star (be VERY aware of Zero’s that spam lvl 1 against Cap) and if you patiently double jump you can call assists. I spend almost all the fight jumping around at about 1/2 to 3/4ths screen and wait for an opportunity to lock him down with an assist call or a charging star. Also snap backs…Most people have ass anchor zeros (even though he’s arguably the best one), if anything you at least get a chnace to kill the other 2 characters.

Stars/stripes log traps or jam is pretty good. Any assist that makes charging stars safe. A good THC like RR or Dante. A character you tag in to fight him instead. The best characters for fighting Zero is Magneto, Morrigan, Task…however if he runs Vajra you have problems and only really Task helps Cap and runs into team placement issues.

I love me some Cap…but playing Zero really showcases how fucked this game is for certain characters trying to contend. Honestly I would consider a team meant to fight Zero w/o Cap when you have to face him. Zero’s just too broken.

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Dammmmm that matchup sounds tough for a Cap players like me. When I was watching the The Runback, I remembered that Paradigm commentating the match stated that ZMC biggest weakness is that both assist (Jam Session and Rapid Slash) can be easily be punished. So the best strategy is to try to kill both Zero’s assist. Hyper Charging Star + Okami Shuffle THC does a good job on killing an assists with 8,000 health while Zero players can’t do anything about it unless he has a LvL 3.(A pay back to Zero players when I get happy birthday by him so many times ~ online). I would try capitalize off of every mistake Zero players makes, including a dropped lighting loops as lighting without LvL3 Buster being the only unsafe move Zero has. LvL3 buster > Lighting is unsafe (something I didn’t know until I watch Honzo Gonzo’s video, or heard the commentator while watching TRB ~ Clockw0rk vs a Zero player)

At least this video would help me fight or deal with Zero when I have to face a Zero player.

Btw, sometimes a Charging Star beats pizza cutter. According to the bible, Zero’s pizza cutter(both versions) have 18 active frames. For proof, it is shown at 3:40 :slight_smile:

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so i’m looking to make a change. Right now i’m running cap (charging star)/spencer (diagonal grapple)/task(straight arrows), but i use spencer’s assist very little for combo extensions, mostly just for incoming mix ups, and I’m having a tough time landing a consistent midscreen combo for him, so i’m looking to change. I’m thinking swapping him out for nova (rush), maybe rocket (log trap), but i’m not great with high execution characters. any thoughts?

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Spencer has no synergy with Cap IMO. Resets are pointless now and there’s better combo and neutral coverage.

Cap/RR/Task works if you’re fine with anchor Task. You get pretty much all the tools you need in each shell. You might want to consider doing the RR/Cap/Task order though with the intention of holding :a1: (cap/RR/task) at start so that you can also counter pick with :a2: (task/cap/rr). Task actually fights a lot of Cap’s bad matchups very well with simple zoning tactics.

Nova is a win more. He doesn’t help caps issues and just lets you go ham in scenarios you’re already dominant in. That’s kind of Cap’s big issue. He’s got a lot of strong assists that only help him in those types of situations but he’s still left desperately trying to get in on certain zoners that don’t care about charging stars and shield slashes.

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Yeah, I don’t really need him to pick guys up midscreen, and task’s arrows will hold him up in the corner so I think spencer is out.

I really like anchor task, he’s easy to swap between zone and rushdown, and he’s an absolute beast with xf3. 2 bars and xf3 and I can chip most characters to death. What about Shuma at 2?

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or akuma/tatsu and task/up arrows

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i want to build around a captain america and doom shell. I originally was running cap (charging star)/modok (beam)/ doom (missiles) and i tend to like that team. However, cap (shield slash)/ vergil (rapid slash)/ doom (beam) gives me better control of horizontal space in some match ups.

I do not like vergil so I’m looking to substitute another character for him. Someone who provides an assist that either extends combos, locks down, or keeps charging star safe. Also, I want to be able to kill off of DHC.

Cap/xx/Doom or Cap/Doom/xx makes no difference to me.

any ideas?

Basically, i want doom beam as well. (unless tehre is another character that can provide beam coverage and then i can use the hidden missiles Super extension for cap)

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The only problem I have with Rapid Slash assist is that Charging + Rapid Slash can be easily countered by Lariat, and you risk getting happy birthday-ed by Haggar.